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26 Nov 2007, 3:51 pm

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Hello and welcome. I am almost embarassed about the reception that you have received. Please don't allow the comments of a very small number of members represent the rest of us.


Thanks, blessedmom. I've received a number of messages from members telling me that they've never seen an introduction thread go south so quickly and drastically. It's pretty likely that I just happened across a patch of particularly poor luck here. I won't hold it against anyone else, I promise. :)

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I find the majority of the members here to be intelligent, considerate and helpful. I am not diagnosed myself but choose to stay for the socialization and information here.


Good to hear. :)



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26 Nov 2007, 3:54 pm

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Has it occurred to anyone that the preceding posts are an excellent example of communication on the Autism spectrum? Children playing so well together.... :lol: New guy - Welcome. Really. We're not a bunch of nasties. We just come across that way sometimes. :wink:


No, I think it's more complicated, as his primary goal appears to be introducing his music. Perhaps there might be a secondary stero-typical intent in the back of his mind, with regards to musicians, mathematicians, and the Du Jour of Autism/Asperger Syndrome.

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Ladybug's and whatsisname's (sorry, dude, bad memory/lazy today) advice to see a doctor may not be a bad thing in the aspect of there could be a lot of things going on that can be mistaken for Aspergers or Autism. As LB said, some of those illnesses do mess with your mind, and some of them are treatable. Some aren't. If it were me I'd sure want to have those ruled out! Granted, having a medical professional wave his/her magic wand over you and pronounce a diagnosis isn't good for much other than getting certified in case you need the paperwork, and they do make mistakes. ("C"s get degrees in medical school just as well as "A"s do, after all. :wink: ) But a thorough evaluation is much more important in what it rules out.


I don't think he really cares at this point, of having his tit in a wringer. In his comment and irritability about being sidetracked from his music, with his argument and pouting about not getting a Welcome Basket.

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If you're the only person in your family (include extended family) who fits the description you see of Aspergers or any other Autism spectrum disorder in yourself, it really might be a prudent thing to do to check for anything else that might be going on. It's my understanding that, though it's possible for a spectrum disorder to just randomly pop up in a family, typically there are others in the family that show the same type of behaviors or have similar problems, to a lesser or greater degree. You could be the mutation (sorry!), or you could find others in your family who could use a hand, or you could find there's something else going on. That may not matter to you, but it would to me - hence my "thirding" the suggestion. (Nobody please ask me for references on that - I'm really very tired today. Google it, if it's needed, ok? It's out there.)


That was going to be my next anticipated course for his inquiry in the piecemealing, with my analogy and metaphor about flipping a coin. If I recall correctly, there have been at least 12 and as many as 22 genetic markers. But, that doesn't rule out all the other manners for those who might in fact have enviromental brain injuries, and can benefit from the same therapies.



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26 Nov 2007, 3:58 pm

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Hello and welcome. I am almost embarassed about the reception that you have received. Please don't allow the comments of a very small number of members represent the rest of us.

I am the parent of 3 children diagnosed (by a pediatric neurologist) with AS and have more than a few characteristics myself. I find the majority of the members here to be intelligent, considerate and helpful. I am not diagnosed myself but choose to stay for the socialization and information here.


Are you embarassed by your children too?



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26 Nov 2007, 3:58 pm

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...(a bunch of antagonistic snipes)...


Here's something for you to consider. If negative comments continue to be posted, their posters will likely find themselves without access to the forums. This really is the final warning.


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26 Nov 2007, 4:01 pm

Lay off of BlessedMom Ladybug.
Have you ever heard that old saying "you always accuse others of what your guilty of yourself."


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26 Nov 2007, 4:09 pm

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blessedmom wrote:
Hello and welcome. I am almost embarassed about the reception that you have received. Please don't allow the comments of a very small number of members represent the rest of us.

I am the parent of 3 children diagnosed (by a pediatric neurologist) with AS and have more than a few characteristics myself. I find the majority of the members here to be intelligent, considerate and helpful. I am not diagnosed myself but choose to stay for the socialization and information here.


Are you embarassed by your children too?


No, I'm not. My oldest son is enrolled in the Gr.11 International Baccalaureate program and was just accepted into the National Honors Society. My middle son is first goalie on the city rep soccer team and president of the Gr.9 leadership club, my youngest son, who has a non-verbal learning disorder and AS is at the top of his class, and my AS daughter is in Gr.2, has straight "A"'s, and is a violinist.

I will be sure to use your behaviour today as an example of how "not" to treat other people


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26 Nov 2007, 4:10 pm

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LadyBug wrote:
...(a bunch of antagonistic snipes)...


Here's something for you to consider. If negative comments continue to be posted, their posters will likely find themselves without access to the forums. This really is the final warning.


I didn't write that, being your shortsighted translation. And it's dishonest for you to make a quote that I did!



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26 Nov 2007, 4:13 pm

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blessedmom wrote:
Hello and welcome. I am almost embarassed about the reception that you have received. Please don't allow the comments of a very small number of members represent the rest of us.

I am the parent of 3 children diagnosed (by a pediatric neurologist) with AS and have more than a few characteristics myself. I find the majority of the members here to be intelligent, considerate and helpful. I am not diagnosed myself but choose to stay for the socialization and information here.


Are you embarassed by your children too?


No, I'm not. My oldest son is enrolled in the Gr.11 International Baccalaureate program and was just accepted into the National Honors Society. My middle son is first goalie on the city rep soccer team and president of the Gr.9 leadership club, my youngest son, who has a non-verbal learning disorder and AS is at the top of his class, and my AS daughter is in Gr.2, has straight "A"'s, and is a violinist.

I will be sure to use your behaviour today as an example of how "not" to treat other people


That's right, because my behavior and example is very different from anything you will ever know in your lifetime. Listing their accomplishments as a measure for your love and pride, doesn't preclude the possibility of your embarassment and disappointment, that you might not be aware you are showing in other ways.



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26 Nov 2007, 4:14 pm

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And people like you claiming to have aspergers when you really don't just add to the stigma that this is a made up thing.

I have never heard of anyone claiming to have aspergers when they really didn't, except in an effort to get a diagnosis so that they can lay around on the couch all day and collect disability, and I don't personally understand why anybody would want to do that.


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26 Nov 2007, 4:15 pm

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TheZach wrote:
And people like you claiming to have aspergers when you really don't just add to the stigma that this is a made up thing.

I have never heard of anyone claiming to have aspergers when they really didn't, except in an effort to get a diagnosis so that they can lay around on the couch all day and collect disability, and I don't personally understand why anybody would want to do that.


I asked for some sourced data which supports this assertion, a couple pages back... I have yet to receive any.



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26 Nov 2007, 4:27 pm

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...(a bunch of antagonistic snipes)...

Here's something for you to consider. If negative comments continue to be posted, their posters will likely find themselves without access to the forums. This really is the final warning.

I didn't write that, being your shortsighted translation. And it's dishonest for you to make a quote that I did!

I understood that as Alex' summary, rather than a direct quote. I expect anyone reading the preceding posts would immediately see it the same way. I don't think you have to worry about Alex' summary being interpreted as a direct quote.

You may also have misinterpreted Myrkabah's original intention when he mentioned his music. It was merely a short remark in a post of moderate length. Many people list their interests when they introduce themselves, and he listed others as well. That doesn't sound like a commercial plug to me. If the music is not only his hobby, but he can earn a living from one of his special interests, good for him. I haven't visited the site, but from a remark in another post, I think he linked to free samples, not something you have to pay for. Many of the artists on WP link to their artwork. There are whole threads dedicated to those topics. I don't think Myrkabah was out of order.



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26 Nov 2007, 4:32 pm

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You may also have misinterpreted Myrkabah's original intention when he mentioned his music. It was merely a short remark in a post of moderate length. Many people list their interests when they introduce themselves, and he listed others as well. That doesn't sound like a commercial plug to me. If the music is not only his hobby, but he can earn a living from one of his special interests, good for him. I haven't visited the site, but from a remark in another post, I think he linked to free samples, not something you have to pay for. Many of the artists on WP link to their artwork. There are whole threads dedicated to those topics. I don't think Myrkabah was out of order.


They're not even free samples - they're the entire sets. 70-80 minutes of mixed music each. They're also freely distributable. Outside of the "no commercial profit off of my work without sharing" thing, I only ask that my name be written on the media that it's copied to.

Thanks for backing me up... By that point in the conversation I had deemed it best not to reply to those posts.



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26 Nov 2007, 4:52 pm

Welcome to WrongPlanet!Image

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I disagree. I think many aspies are more accurate in diagnosing themselves than their doctors are. The doctor doesn't need any specialized knowledge in order to diagnose asperger's. Most people who think they're aspie fit the criteria to be diagnosed as aspie.


This comes from 49 years of experience of "Me being Me":
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Yes I am self diagnosed. My first "official" diagnosis was when I was three or four years old.
My foster parents thought I was mentally ret*d. I was either mute or hardly spoke at all,
and it took them almost four years to toilet train me. The doctors thought I was brain damaged
because of poor motor coordination and I was slow in learning new things. I always wanted
(and still do) to be off by myself. Later I went through two other foster homes. Social Services
were trying to have me placed in Willowbrook State School on Staten Island, NY. This was in the
1960s. That institution was eventually shut down because of the terrible abuses going on in there.
For more info on Willowbrook go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willowbrook_State_School. Fortunately
I was never sent there. My diagnosis was "upgraded" to "Minimal Brain Damage" then later my
I.Q. tested to be 120 or greater depending on the test given or the test conditions. My guardians
kept sending me to one Freudian von Shrinkendork after another trying to find why I "tick but don't
tock, or tock but don't tick". I kept forgetting what I was told to do, had a hard time understanding
people, I did very poorly in school, but I did manage to graduate high school on time. Not many
foster kids got their H.S. diplomas back in the 1970s. And yes I was bullied, and picked on a lot.
I survived. I learned electronics and worked in that field for more than 20 years.
Today I am not working in electronics, I work on a loading dock at a factory that makes windows
for schools, and residential complexes, and other institutional buildings.
As for my condition; I can't stand loud percussive noises, being touched, and sudden or abrupt
changes in my routine. I seem to be here, but my mind or parts thereof are in a different universe.
My left brain could be thinking about the Quadratic Prime Series, at the same time my right brain is thinking about Pentominoes.
Autism is called a spectrum condition because we have different "mental colors, notes, or wavelengths."
I call myself an Autie, I may have some, but not all, characteristics in common with Aspies.

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26 Nov 2007, 4:56 pm

Yet another extra welcome.

My... it's almost a good idea to get attacked - you make that many more friends in the time!

Seriously though, welcome to a pretty solidly supportive site, most of the time (BlessedMom and Reika - do you think you could wash some of the blood off the wall, while Gromit and I repair the chairs?)


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26 Nov 2007, 4:59 pm

Certainly! :D


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26 Nov 2007, 5:03 pm

other peoples blood bothers me, can I help repair chairs? I have my own power tools. :D


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