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EzraS
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23 Nov 2019, 2:57 am

Ruth D. Nass MD (1947-2019) Child & Adolescent Psychiatry and Neurology.

Cognitive and Behavioral Abnormalities of Pediatric Diseases by Ruth Nass MD and Yitzchak Frank MD | Apr 12, 2010

100 Questions and Answers About Your Child's ADHD: Preschool To College Author: Nass MD, Ruth D. June, 2010


One would think such a doctor would do more than just ask some questions. When I read that I assumed the doc was a GP.



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23 Nov 2019, 4:55 am

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I am superior because I match the criteria for being superior.

That's not convincing as long you are the only person providing any input into the criteria for what makes an exceptional human, which so far has been exclusively the stuff you say you are great at. For a person who claims to have superior logic abilities you keep repeating a very basic error in inductive reasoning called confirmation bias - the tendency to interpret any new evidence as confirmation of one's existing beliefs or theories.

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Superiority = all the stuff I'm personally great at and none of the stuff I'm rubbish at, then there will always be a confirmation bias error.

So, unless you are willing to be more accountable in your definition of exceptionality, then I don't trust your logic and am getting bored with the cyclical egocentric discussion.

I've started another thread called "What makes an exceptional human?"
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=382635&p=8394868#p8394868

You view point is most welcome in the discussion.



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23 Nov 2019, 5:07 am

Your_Boy wrote:
I am superior because I match the criteria for being superior.
I also don't trust your evidence.

As Carl Sagan said: “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”

Boasting about your extraordinary talents and achievements is not evidence of your superiority and you have failed to provide any objective or verifiable evidence of your greatness. I only have evidence that your believe you are exceptional, which alone, doesn't make you unique in any way.

I've started another thread called "What makes an exceptional human?"
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=382635&p=8394868#p8394868

You are most welcome to contribute your views in the discussion.



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23 Nov 2019, 5:09 am

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@EzraS Post 1|
@Firemonkey Exactly. Motor speed should not have an effect on IQ. Nice one. :lol:


All I know is in one regard I'm considerably intellectually superior to you, but in another regard I'm intellectually inferior to about 95-99% of people here. That's having a spiky profile for you.


That is true & I am not offended in the least. That's great for you. It must be nice to be able to think quickly. My mind has Windows XP speed. We all have our strengths & weaknesses. That's what makes life interesting.


The score you provided and the score I got indicates that you are at least 2SD less intelligent than me . I have no doubt that for others here there's an even bigger gap between them and you.



It's time to knock this silliness on its head . You're probably not even the brightest person living on your street.


A minute ago you agreed that the results are inaccurate. Or is that only when lt's convenient for you? You agreed that the Wechsler test is inaccurate & said that the other one is not highly rated. My IQ cannot be accurately gauged lf what the test is really gauging is motor speed, a weak point of Mine. I answerred at least 90% correctly, but I took 30 minutes to do so. That should tell you I'm pretty damned smart & pretty damned slow. When I find a better test, I'll get a more accurate IQ. The people on My street are: an old man who calls the cops on Me every Halloween, even though that's the only party I ever have; a family that constantly screams really loudly about the stupidest things; a super paranoid lady who makes everyone feel uncomfortable; a lady who has parties every day where she blasts the same song over & over again inconsiderately, but yells at Me impolitely lf someone blocks her car for a minute; & a mean old lady who destroyed My belongings, then tried to make amends & suddenly began inexplicably giving Me dirty looks all of the time. If you don't think I'm smarter than these buffoons, then lt is quite possible that you are the least intelligent person on your street.



I said the test you first mentioned was a particularly bad test. The 3 tests I posted are much better than that ,for those who don't have a spiky profile . That Wechsler test may or may not be inaccurate. If inaccurate ,ie inflating our scores, it would apply to both of us .

As for motor speed . Mine isn't so good either .

Test Name: Digit Symbol Substitution
Basic Protocol?: Yes
Mobile Version Available?: Yes
Primary Domains: processing speed, visual short term memory
Demo Link: http://www.testmybrain.org/tests/DigSymbCoding/DSC.html
Psychometrics: Excellent
Time (minutes): 2.9
Description of Test: Using a symbol-number key shown on screen, match as many symbols and
numbers as possible in 90 seconds

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Test Name: Trail-Making Test A
Mobile Version Available?: Yes
Primary Domains: processing speed
Demo Link: http://www.testmybrain.org/tests/Trails/TrailsA.html
Psychometrics: Excellent
Time (minutes): 2
Description of Test: Connect a series of numbers in ascending order.

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Test Name: Trail-Making Test B
Mobile Version Available?: Yes

Primary Domains: processing speed, task-switching
Demo Link: http://www.testmybrain.org/tests/Trails/TrailsB.html
Psychometrics: Excellent
Time (minutes): 2
Description of Test: Connect a series of letters and numbers in ascending order, alternating
between letters and numbers.


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Test Name: Choice Reaction Time
Mobile Version Available?: Yes
Primary Domains: processing speed, cognitive inhibition, cognitive control
Demo Link: http://www.testmybrain.org/tests/ChoiceRT/ChoiceRT.html
Psychometrics: Good
Time (minutes): 2.5
Description of Test: Indicate the direction of an arrow that is a different color from the rest.

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23 Nov 2019, 7:05 am

The OP’s sole basis for believing he’s a “human 2.0” is the “fact” that he primarily uses the “neocortex”; whereas regular people apparently don’t. He, allegedly, only thinks “logically,” like he is a Vulcan.

He hasn’t presented us with any tangible deeds which would imbue him with “greatness.” Like finding a cure for cancer, creating an original and creative work of art, designing a levee which would prevent floods that other levees were unable to prevent, providing a permanent home for a homeless person. Things of that ilk.



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23 Nov 2019, 7:14 am

^ How does anyone know for certain they primarily use the "neocortex" ?!



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23 Nov 2019, 7:16 am

The person would have to give himself a neurological exam. An fMRI.



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23 Nov 2019, 7:55 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
The OP’s sole basis for believing he’s a “human 2.0” is the “fact” that he primarily uses the “neocortex”; whereas regular people apparently don’t. He, allegedly, only thinks “logically,” like he is a Vulcan.

He hasn’t presented us with any tangible deeds which would imbue him with “greatness.” Like finding a cure for cancer, creating an original and creative work of art, designing a levee which would prevent floods that other levees were unable to prevent, providing a permanent home for a homeless person. Things of that ilk.


There's also that he says his greatness stems entirely from his autism. Yet he has listed numerous attributes of his greatness that are not autism related. But WP has had others drop by who basically did the same thing. Put a bunch of stuff together that is not related to autism and then add all that up to conclude that it is all autism related and therefore autism makes them superior.

The reason why they do this I think is so that they can view themselves as basically being a separate being from the rest of society ie "NTs". They can only maintain that illusion by deciding that every last aspect of themselves is non-NT related. In other words they are 100% pure non-NT. Which makes them 100% separate and therefore 100% superior.

The Vulcan analogy fits because I have seen a lot of aspies go on about NTs as if they were Vulcans vs Humans.



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23 Nov 2019, 8:11 am

What Is an Overvalued Idea?

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Overvalued ideas are similar to delusions, but are not maintained to the same degree and may seem less strange than delusions. Overvalued ideas may have an element of truth. For example, a person who works at a company may rigidly maintain the idea that he or she is the most valuable member of the company, that he/she will save the company from ruin, or that he/she will soon be made president of the company. People do not obsess over overvalued ideas to the same degree that they obsess over delusions, but still become preoccupied by them to such a degree that they interfere with normal functioning. A person with no computer science training might, for example, believe he is going to write the next great computer program and fixate on this idea rather than pursuing training in computer science or going to work.



https://www.goodtherapy.org/blog/psychp ... alued-idea



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23 Nov 2019, 8:12 am

Now...if the guy could join us who are mere Human 1.0, and debate things on the merits—maybe he can find a place on WP, so he can alleviate his loneliness.

Feelings of superiority often emanate from feelings of inferiority.



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23 Nov 2019, 8:12 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
The person would have to give himself a neurological exam. An fMRI.


Maybe Ruth Nass was able to determine that He primarily uses His neocortex from asking Him some questions. It's too bad she didn't delve further. she could have written a book about Him.

Or maybe the OP got the idea from reading science fiction.



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23 Nov 2019, 8:17 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Now...if the guy could join us who are mere Human 1.0, and debate things on the merits—maybe he can find a place on WP, so he can alleviate his loneliness.

Feelings of superiority often emanate from feelings of inferiority.


That's a good point. I usually have poor self esteem , but will engage in bravado as a defence mechanism when my back's against the wall



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23 Nov 2019, 8:19 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
Now...if the guy could join us who are mere Human 1.0, and debate things on the merits—maybe he can find a place on WP, so he can alleviate his loneliness.

Feelings of superiority often emanate from feelings of inferiority.


It would be interesting to see him talk about something besides himself. Perhaps he could visit the Haven and give support and advice.



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24 Nov 2019, 12:45 am

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If you have discovered an all-encompassing cure for cancer, you would be great.

If you feel you just have superior intellect, yet don’t use it for the common good, you’re just some person who has an over-exalted view of yourself.

I don't claim to be great-----because I don't have enough altruism to be a truly "great" person. I'm pretty okay.

My problem: Is that I'm pretty okay with being pretty okay most of the time. I wish I had the power to find a cure for cancer. I wish I had the power to change the geopolitical situation. But I don't....so I'm not "great."

I think it's a great thing to do----if you can get a homeless person off the streets, and working. Through your efforts. And the homeless person's efforts. I have not done that as of yet.

If I can get a depressed person to believe there truly is beauty in the world. Then I feel like I have accomplished something. Perhaps, I have saved that person's life.

If I can get a woman who weighs 100 pounds, yet considers herself fat, to have a more realistic view of herself, then I would have done a great thing. Because the result would be that I probably saved that woman's life.

I wish I was Leonardo Da Vinci. But I'm not...so I have to settle for being the Wolfman.


Except I do. The reason why I know I am great is exactly because I use lt for the common good. I can't discover something that has already been discoverred. Well, that's you. I on the other hand have more than enough altruism. I have X-altruism. You can be okay with being okay or you can choose to be great & feel great about lt. Lacking the power to create does not make a great person not great, less great lf anything. I also lack the power to create any large-scale change, but that isn't My fault. If people gave Me the chance, I would improve everything & create a utopia. Power or not, I try My hardest each day to get closer to that goal. That's all I can do & the fact that I try despite the odds is what makes Me truly incredible. You can be as well lf you apply yourself.

I do what I can for the homeless but I don't even have a home of My own, so lt's not like I'm holding out on them. Also, most homeless people are drug addicts. There isn't much you can do to help them, other than to not support their addictions. I helped someone just today, though he doesn't seem homeless. I usually just buy them food, that's the best way to help them. I do what I can to help depressed people, but they choose to be awful, rather than be helped. I don't know any bulemic people, so I can't help them.

I have saved some lives (physically, emotionally & financially), given people hope, helped when nobody else would, made peoples days less bad, fixed peoples problems & much more. The fact that most people do not appreciate lt is unfortunate but ultimately out of My control. I need to help Myself before I can help anyone else on a large scale. The best way to do that is with the right friends, which is why I'm searching for them.



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24 Nov 2019, 12:46 am

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EzraS wrote:
This whole thread basically consists of;

"I'm the most wonderful person on earth"

"Are not"

"Are too"

"Are not"

"Are too"

"Are not"

"Are too"

In fifty thousand words or more.


This cracked Me up, so true.



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24 Nov 2019, 1:37 am

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How old were you when you were diagnosed, who/what initiated the request for your evaluation, how were you evaluated, who by (eg psychiatrist?) and what exactly was your diagnosis?


11, going on 12. My mom/struggling in school (not with quizzes/tests, but with the procedure). The doctor mainly asked My mom questions about Me (which is stupid & she incorrectly answerred most of them), but she did ask Me some questions. Ruth Nass, MD. ADD, ADHD, probable OCD, probable Tourette's Syndrome & autism (Asperger's at the time).


So no actual testing involved. Just some questions asked by an MD. That's a pretty weak diagnosis. It would have been much more to your benefit if you had been examined by psychologist. Especially regarding your god complex. Was that compensator already in play back then or did it develop during adolescence?


I agree, lt is a downright poor diagnosis. But even despite a crappy procedure, the diagnosis holds up pretty well. It's just that she underestimated the severity of them I'm pretty sure. It's unfortunately extremely difficult to find a decent psychologist. God complex? Hyperbolic much? I'm not a god. There is no complex anyhow. If any error margin exists, lt isn't enough to make any discernible difference. I'm great & you don't want to accept that.

Your mind, regardless of autism, is very neurotypical. You automatically & constantly think that ego = god complex (otherwise known as the A = B logical fallacy) as lf the world is black & white, while all of My evidence to the contrary flies completely over your head. It is unfathomable to you the fact that not everyone with an ego has a god complex. Some desserve to think highly of themselves. You're a slave to society & lts norms, you are unable to think for yourself. If lt suddenly became socially acceptable for one to think highly of themself, then I guarantee you would cease to take issue with lt. Probability says lt is impossible for 100% of all people with egos to be wrong about themselves. Some people are great but think lowly of themselves. Some people are great & think highly of themselves. In your mind, lt is either A: great with low self esteem or B: awful with high self esteem, which is a false dichotomy. Dichotomies don't exist in nature & are merely products of social norms used by sociopaths to manipulate & enslave neurotypicals. There is a cornucopia of options in life. You are likely the type of person to believe that everyone is either a democrat or a republican. These parties are in cahoots. No matter which one you choose, you lose. False dichotomies are actually the easiest & most common method of mind control.

I've always thought highly about Myself. The greater that I became or realized I am, the greater I felt. I came up with a lot of theories in My youth as to why I'm so great & nearly everyone else is not. I decided that everyone else must be a robot, which is pretty true. A neurotypical mind is quite robotic, hence why chatbots can seem so real.

Anyway, everyones theories here can easily be shot down by the fact that I am not the best. I mainly say that hyperbolically, lt has a nice ring to lt. I am actually second best, because there is one person on this planet who I am sure is better than Me. After seventeen years, We briefly reunited westerday for My uncle-in-law's death. He's a lot like Me, but with lesser weaknesses & greater strengths. If I am your boy, then He is your man. No narcissist has ever or will ever admit to someone being greater. I almost forgot about Him because lt's been so long. He is the only person that I have ever confirmed to be superior to Me. You need to accept that there exist people who are honest & great at the same time. Plus, honesty is a great trait. If in 100 years I somehow became one of the worst (It would have to be top 100 worst even theoretically, because there would be some people still alive who I could never sink lower than.), then that's what I would say. While I do enjoy My high level, honesty is a much higher priority.