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14 Aug 2011, 11:17 pm

Hi all. I used to be fairly active on here but kind of got caught up with grad school and twitter and all these other distractions. Now all of a sudden I got a female therapist who diagnosed me with aspergers even though I had pretty horrific experience years ago when I broached the question of whether I might have it with a male psychiatrist. I'm still not sure if the diagnosis will "stick" since it is pretty weird to swallow it as a 36 yr old female and I'm not sure if the next MD I see will take it seriously. I've been lurking with ASAN and AASPIRE networks so definitely have links to the ASD community but looking onto things as a would-be researcher-advocate is so different than actually being an "insider" so I'm still getting used to the idea.



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15 Aug 2011, 1:44 am

Welcome back. I was 42 when I was diagnosed.


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15 Aug 2011, 3:13 am

Your name seems familiar even though I wasn't around when you first joined...

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15 Aug 2011, 4:17 am

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17 Aug 2011, 12:56 am

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I had pretty horrific experience years ago when I broached the question of whether I might have it with a male psychiatrist.


Hi. I've had the first half of your experience- my psychiatrist made me feel like an idiot for even asking about it and now I'm more certain than ever that I fall on the Aspie scale. All I want is someone to talk to about it and to find out if some of the tools and resources would help me.

I'm a 37 yr old female and it took a long time for me to realize the parallel characteristics and experiences. I have to remind myself that the diagnosis didn't exist when I was in grade school so it's completely plausible that it was overlooked. It's difficult to have the excitement of possible future relief when I made the connection, only to be followed by a deeper feeling of isolation when i realized that Aspergers is another one of those things that gets lumped into the "possibly not a real issue" category. ADHD, chronic sleep paralysis, vestibular disturbances, sensory integration issues as well as hyper/hypo senses, migraines, motion sickness (not on roller coasters, love roller coasters), suspicious issues with coordination and depth perception, I could go on. Point being- all things one can "fake", not to mention, it's a subjective experience.

And this question constantly permeates my brain- if life is experienced and perceived through our senses, and our personality is an expression of our DNA, life experiences and perceptions, will I ever be able to connect or truly be understood by anyone? All my life, people have shut me down, and told to figure it out. i took that criticism/advice literally, My life's journey has been all about what I need to do so I can have relationships and be a part of a community. But what if my life's journey/lesson is to let go of what I thought life was going to be? I get hung up on this thought which totally screws with my ability to prioritize. I get so made at myself for my lack of organization and prioritization.

Then I realize my psychiatrist is a jerk. He's known me for 7 years, and he could have helped me simply by listening to me.

Anyway, hi. It's nice to meet another female my age.



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17 Aug 2011, 1:54 am

Hi I'm 40 newly dx'd & even though I knew I was autistic 8yrs since my daughter was dx'd at 18months. The shock, anxiety & fear I've never felt like this b4. When my daughter was dx'd I was fine with it as she grew older & became more obvious how severe she was again didn't bother me didn't think anything of it but 4 some reason I've had trouble accepting myself. I can clearly write abt being autistic but 2 actually think I am is tough. It's nice 2 meet u!! !


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17 Aug 2011, 2:36 am

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I'm a 37 yr old female and it took a long time for me to realize the parallel characteristics and experiences. I have to remind myself that the diagnosis didn't exist when I was in grade school so it's completely plausible that it was overlooked....
Then I realize my psychiatrist is a jerk. He's known me for 7 years, and he could have helped me simply by listening to me.


I think at this point I never want to see another male provider again--this is one area where there is still a lot of embedded sexism in assumptions. I am floored by the damage done by researchers saying over and over it's a boy's problem. I interact with a lot of doctors as colleagues and it's disturbing how clueless they are about autism in general, let alone for adults. Even in asking academic questions about autism to psychiatrists on the faculty, they always say "Oh, you should ask a child psychiatrist". So just as diagnosis wasn't there for us growing up, it might have been left out of your doctor's training as well...



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17 Aug 2011, 8:56 am

Hi, AutisticsRUS333. It's nice to meet you too!

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I think at this point I never want to see another male provider again--this is one area where there is still a lot of embedded sexism in assumptions. I am floored by the damage done by researchers saying over and over it's a boy's problem. I interact with a lot of doctors as colleagues and it's disturbing how clueless they are about autism in general, let alone for adults. Even in asking academic questions about autism to psychiatrists on the faculty, they always say "Oh, you should ask a child psychiatrist".


You hit the nail on the head. I was so embarrassed and mortified when, after opening up to my psychiatrist about the diagnosis, he laughed at me and said he wasn't a child psychiatrist and that it's a ridiculous notion to consider such a diagnosis at my age (implying it's only a child condition). He said it in a way that was so hurtful and damaging, I was surprised someone of his profession and experience would risk such a cavalier reaction to a patient.

I hadn't done anything wrong and I take full responsibility for myself, which means I don't feel like a deserve help and I end up isolating myself even more. I try to remember that even drs can misunderstand their patients but this seemed quite reckless of him. I've stayed positive but it's weighing on me, as I wonder why no one will talk to me about this. For women (and I'm sure some men feel this way as well), they seem to label them as bipolar, personality disorder, or even mildly schizophrenic, even when there's no behavior to back up that diagnosis.

I'm terrified of seeing my psychiatrist again (I only see him once every 4 months now because I don't have insurance), because I'm afraid of dealing with the concept that he's making a terrible mistake by dismissing me. It's difficult for me to accept the fact that I can't trust a professional psychiatrist and I need to be able to trust someone. I end up assuming it's my fault and I did something wrong to warrant his response. But then again, I'm a 37 year old woman and I'm extremely pro-active and take full responsibility for my behavior and actions. However, I keep asking for help and I feel that therapy geared towards aspergers syndrome would benefit me greatly. I don't understand why I'm being treated as if I'm asking for special treatment.

One of the hardest misconceptions about me is the behavior issue. Most of the time, the behavior people are witnessing in me, is actually a physical experience for me and often not based on an emotional response. Does that make sense? For example, I'm ticklish and not in a good way. If someone tickles me, I become paralyzed, unable to talk. I experience pain even though I appear to be enjoying it because I'm laughing. My knees often buckle and my chin pulls to my shoulder or towards my chest (the occasional drooling doesn't help with the embarrassment of it all). If someone even threatens to tickle me, I can start to experience these things without contact. I have ruined relationships and have been labeled as being almost violent because I have punched people (in the arm or leg, nothing serious) as a knee jerk reaction to stop the pain. This has been labeled as a behavioral issue which infuriates me. It's wrong for any logical adult to not understand that tickling can be extremely unpleasant for some people, bordering on torture (it's like experiencing sleep paralysis). It gives people a reason to bully me which is ridiculous at my age.

I'm sorry to go off on my tangent and hijack the conversation but I'm boiling up inside over this. I feel like an alien, like I speak a completely different language. I need to know others like me not because I need a label. In some ways, I don't accept this as a disorder. There seems to be elements of a particular culture, way of life, thinking, etc. with aspergers. I do not dismiss the debilitating nature of asperger's, nor the varying degrees and co-morbid conditions.

I hope I'm making sense and not sounding pompous. I really like people and it's hard always being on the perimeter and outskirts of every social environment I encounter. I've learned that people think I'm great, as long as I keep my distance and constantly monitor every aspect of myself, which is exhausting. I like who I am now, especially since I've learned of Asperger's. I thought my progress was going to mean that there was going to be some relief in the form of slightly better social experiences. Again, fingers still crossed, but more and more, I keep taping the microphone of my social life, "Hello? Is this thing on? Can anyone understand what I'm saying". Is it really my distorted perception that causes all the problems?

Thanks for sharing and I hope my long posts don't scare anyone off. I'll get better about shortening my posts but I don't have an outlet for this so the valve is wide open. I'll get it under control. Promise. But I sincerely appreciate the conversation.



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17 Aug 2011, 11:22 am

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I hope I'm making sense and not sounding pompous. I really like people and it's hard always being on the perimeter and outskirts of every social environment I encounter. I've learned that people think I'm great, as long as I keep my distance and constantly monitor every aspect of myself, which is exhausting. I like who I am now, especially since I've learned of Asperger's. I thought my progress was going to mean that there was going to be some relief in the form of slightly better social experiences. Again, fingers still crossed, but more and more, I keep taping the microphone of my social life, "Hello? Is this thing on? Can anyone understand what I'm saying". Is it really my distorted perception that causes all the problems?

Thanks for sharing and I hope my long posts don't scare anyone off. I'll get better about shortening my posts but I don't have an outlet for this so the valve is wide open. I'll get it under control. Promise. But I sincerely appreciate the conversation.
I think the important thing here is that, as adults, we have a lot more control over those we encounter.

As a child, I had to go to a certain school and participate in certain activities and being drug along to the social gatherings my mother (very outgoing and friendly and intuitive with people) would take us to.

But, as an adult, I have found affinity with people I've met through my work and I am SO much more comfortable around them and they accept me as I am (we all have our quirks and no one gets bullied).
Occasionally, we do rib one another on our oddities, but, it's a gentle reminder of how well we know one another, not like being mocked by schoolmates for choosing to use an unusually apt word rather than ums and ahs and ya knows.

Sure there will always be things, social encounters necessitated by my children and husband and basic errands, but, for the most part, I find solace in the friends that I have made and their acceptance of me.



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17 Aug 2011, 11:26 am

Welcome back to WP, mcsquared. :)



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17 Aug 2011, 11:39 am

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Hi, AutisticsRUS333. It's nice to meet you too!

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I think at this point I never want to see another male provider again--this is one area where there is still a lot of embedded sexism in assumptions. I am floored by the damage done by researchers saying over and over it's a boy's problem. I interact with a lot of doctors as colleagues and it's disturbing how clueless they are about autism in general, let alone for adults. Even in asking academic questions about autism to psychiatrists on the faculty, they always say "Oh, you should ask a child psychiatrist".


You hit the nail on the head. I was so embarrassed and mortified when, after opening up to my psychiatrist about the diagnosis, he laughed at me and said he wasn't a child psychiatrist and that it's a ridiculous notion to consider such a diagnosis at my age (implying it's only a child condition). He said it in a way that was so hurtful and damaging, I was surprised someone of his profession and experience would risk such a cavalier reaction to a patient.

I hadn't done anything wrong and I take full responsibility for myself, which means I don't feel like a deserve help and I end up isolating myself even more. I try to remember that even drs can misunderstand their patients but this seemed quite reckless of him. I've stayed positive but it's weighing on me, as I wonder why no one will talk to me about this. For women (and I'm sure some men feel this way as well), they seem to label them as bipolar, personality disorder, or even mildly schizophrenic, even when there's no behavior to back up that diagnosis.

I'm terrified of seeing my psychiatrist again (I only see him once every 4 months now because I don't have insurance), because I'm afraid of dealing with the concept that he's making a terrible mistake by dismissing me. It's difficult for me to accept the fact that I can't trust a professional psychiatrist and I need to be able to trust someone. I end up assuming it's my fault and I did something wrong to warrant his response. But then again, I'm a 37 year old woman and I'm extremely pro-active and take full responsibility for my behavior and actions. However, I keep asking for help and I feel that therapy geared towards aspergers syndrome would benefit me greatly. I don't understand why I'm being treated as if I'm asking for special treatment.

One of the hardest misconceptions about me is the behavior issue. Most of the time, the behavior people are witnessing in me, is actually a physical experience for me and often not based on an emotional response. Does that make sense? For example, I'm ticklish and not in a good way. If someone tickles me, I become paralyzed, unable to talk. I experience pain even though I appear to be enjoying it because I'm laughing. My knees often buckle and my chin pulls to my shoulder or towards my chest (the occasional drooling doesn't help with the embarrassment of it all). If someone even threatens to tickle me, I can start to experience these things without contact. I have ruined relationships and have been labeled as being almost violent because I have punched people (in the arm or leg, nothing serious) as a knee jerk reaction to stop the pain. This has been labeled as a behavioral issue which infuriates me. It's wrong for any logical adult to not understand that tickling can be extremely unpleasant for some people, bordering on torture (it's like experiencing sleep paralysis). It gives people a reason to bully me which is ridiculous at my age.

I'm sorry to go off on my tangent and hijack the conversation but I'm boiling up inside over this. I feel like an alien, like I speak a completely different language. I need to know others like me not because I need a label. In some ways, I don't accept this as a disorder. There seems to be elements of a particular culture, way of life, thinking, etc. with aspergers. I do not dismiss the debilitating nature of asperger's, nor the varying degrees and co-morbid conditions.

I hope I'm making sense and not sounding pompous. I really like people and it's hard always being on the perimeter and outskirts of every social environment I encounter. I've learned that people think I'm great, as long as I keep my distance and constantly monitor every aspect of myself, which is exhausting. I like who I am now, especially since I've learned of Asperger's. I thought my progress was going to mean that there was going to be some relief in the form of slightly better social experiences. Again, fingers still crossed, but more and more, I keep taping the microphone of my social life, "Hello? Is this thing on? Can anyone understand what I'm saying". Is it really my distorted perception that causes all the problems?

Thanks for sharing and I hope my long posts don't scare anyone off. I'll get better about shortening my posts but I don't have an outlet for this so the valve is wide open. I'll get it under control. Promise. But I sincerely appreciate the conversation.


Hi...don't worry I write long posts 2. Am constantly trying 2 learn a quicker way 2 say what I want. Its always been an issue with me I don't know how 2 get straight 2 the point but here goes.

I have also encountered the you don't seem like your autistic from docs. They profile on severity gender & age. My daughter was dx'd at 18 months which is when I discovered I was autistic. tried mentioning it once 2 docs but was ignored. My daughter is severe. I on the other hand am supposed 2 b smart so there's nothing wrong with me except that I'm trying 2 get attention all my life. I really didn't know stuff (that socalled was common sense) In short I felt stupid lazy & that I had 2 know this stuff so I must b trying 2 get attention. I have coordination issues but instead of someone looking at the obvious they labeled me again as attention seeking & wld get in trouble with my handwriting & some dyslexic writing. Its very frustrating. It put me in the hospital at the beginning of the year with 3od's. Dx'd with Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) in 10 minutes (really) then the 2nd od they took all my previous dx's including ADHD & Learning Disabilities which I'd been dx'd 10yrs now. I cldn't provide them with the report until I went in2 therapy 6wks ago. Finally they had something. Wednesday they told me they were investigating the idea I'm autistic (carefully) & Thursday was told that they must officially discharge me from day hospital & wld c the psych & therapist Aug 26 with the dx & support systems. So I was misdx'd by the 1st hospital had a pretty confusing life growing up. I'm doing better with the therapy & meds & am just living in the moment but I have had a tough time with the dx & am angry cuz everywhere u hear its a male dx & a childhood dx. My purpose in life now is 2 make others aware of High Functioning Autism especially in females & adults. They figure u've gone this long without a dx whats the point? Point 4 me is 2 get the proper supports 2 b able 2 keep a job & boost my sef esteem. I don't want another child or adult going through what I did. Awareness is a must. I'm proud 2 b who I am & accept myself & I want others 2 feel the same way I'm hoping 2 touch lives of those b4 they get so deep they end up dead or almost dead. No one shld ever feel the need 2 take their life 2 end their misery. Ok this was a bit tough 4 me 2 write. Anyway I'm going 2 ask how I can get involved with the autistic community & tell my story 2 spread awareness. There's not much here where I am.


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17 Aug 2011, 2:01 pm

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You hit the nail on the head. I was so embarrassed and mortified when, after opening up to my psychiatrist about the diagnosis, he laughed at me and said he wasn't a child psychiatrist and that it's a ridiculous notion to consider such a diagnosis at my age (implying it's only a child condition). He said it in a way that was so hurtful and damaging, I was surprised someone of his profession and experience would risk such a cavalier reaction to a patient.


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I have also encountered the you don't seem like your autistic from docs. They profile on severity gender & age. My daughter was dx'd at 18 months which is when I discovered I was autistic. tried mentioning it once 2 docs but was ignored. My daughter is severe. I on the other hand am supposed 2 b smart so there's nothing wrong with me except that I'm trying 2 get attention all my life. I really didn't know stuff (that socalled was common sense) In short I felt stupid lazy & that I had 2 know this stuff so I must b trying 2 get attention. I have coordination issues but instead of someone looking at the obvious they labeled me again as attention seeking & wld get in trouble with my handwriting & some dyslexic writing. Its very frustrating. It put me in the hospital at the beginning of the year with 3od's. Dx'd with Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) in 10 minutes (really) then the 2nd od they took all my previous dx's including ADHD & Learning Disabilities which I'd been dx'd 10yrs now. I cldn't provide them with the report until I went in2 therapy 6wks ago. Finally they had something. Wednesday they told me they were investigating the idea I'm autistic (carefully) & Thursday was told that they must officially discharge me from day hospital & wld c the psych & therapist Aug 26 with the dx & support systems. So I was misdx'd by the 1st hospital had a pretty confusing life growing up. I'm doing better with the therapy & meds & am just living in the moment but I have had a tough time with the dx & am angry cuz everywhere u hear its a male dx & a childhood dx. My purpose in life now is 2 make others aware of High Functioning Autism especially in females & adults. They figure u've gone this long without a dx whats the point? Point 4 me is 2 get the proper supports 2 b able 2 keep a job & boost my sef esteem. I don't want another child or adult going through what I did. Awareness is a must. I'm proud 2 b who I am & accept myself & I want others 2 feel the same way I'm hoping 2 touch lives of those b4 they get so deep they end up dead or almost dead. No one shld ever feel the need 2 take their life 2 end their misery. Ok this was a bit tough 4 me 2 write. Anyway I'm going 2 ask how I can get involved with the autistic community & tell my story 2 spread awareness. There's not much here where I am.


Wow! That's very helpful to know others go through similar, if not sometimes identical, issues. I dealt with the same things growing up (and even now, at times) that people often thought my behavior was all about getting attention. I am definitely ADHD but my father, a doctor, would not allow my brother or me to be treated for it, even though it clearly runs on his side of the family and I have cousins who were successfully treated for ADHD. I struggled but somehow, I slipped through the system and i was considered an emotionally weak, but otherwise normal child who wanted attention for being weird. The signs for Aspergers was there but it was the 80's and 90's so...

I'm glad you mentioned the coordination thing. Although I have an unusual sense of balance and I can often do physical things others can't, I am pathologically clumsy and it's very peculiar. There's not a day that goes by that I don't break, drop, trip, cut, or bump into something. I'm coordinated as long as it's planned or choreographed but my spatial orientation and depth perception issues are problematic. Why people think this is about getting attention, I'll never understand. I always wanted attention for being smart, clever, accomplished and, well, being perfect.

I'm sorry about your experience as it sounds frustrating and disheartening.

Anyway, thank you for your input, and everyone else's too. It's been quite helpful and I look forward to chatting with you more.



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17 Aug 2011, 2:46 pm

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FIRE YOUR DOCTOR!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!

Seriously! You have that right and don't have to take that sh** from anyone, even if they do have an MD!!
Autism Women's Network has resources for adult women to get diagnosis.


Thanks, mcsquared. You're right and I know I have to move on from him. It was just disappointing because I thought after all this time (all my progress and my continued effort to take responsibility for myself), my dr would have treated me with more respect and understanding. I've seen him once since the horrific session but I felt compelled to gloss over it and just tell him I was doing fine. He asked me if I had dropped that non-sense about aspergers and then he asked me a riddle which I thought was strange (and a bit insulting). The funny part was that I didn't respond correctly, yet he still completely dismissed it and will not speak with me about it.

Over the years, I've unknowingly described classic symptoms- sensory integration issues, sleep issues, motor skills, narrow interests, strange use of vocabulary, literal translation, and an inability to read social skills unless I've specifically encountered the situation and cataloged it for future application. It was other people pointing out characteristics of aspergers that got my attention. I had a bunch of people tell me I was an indigo child which I mistakenly thought was a new-age hippy reference since I definitely have a hippy quality about me. I remember the night I finally put it together. It was a strange experience and I thought, "there's no way. I can't be part of the autism spectrum. It doesn't make sense." But the more I read, the more I came to understand that I had a misconception about the autism spectrum and Aspergers. I'm definitely not as severe as people who are more obvious, but due to being nearly 40 years old, I need help with this and all I want is someone to talk to.

So, yes. It is time for me to move on. I will have insurance in the fall and will seek out the right therapist. It's hard to start over and I'm dreading the process of explaining myself again. It's exhausting.