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Satyr696
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18 Aug 2014, 11:17 am

A big, warm hello to everyone reading this!

Ironically, introducing myself is one of the things I'm not really good at, yet always have to start with. Please excuse me for any odd things I say - I'm a bit nervous.
You might have noticed I edited my post, as I think it was too random for anyone to really successfully read.
So, my name's Erik and I'm from the Netherlands. I'm 23 years old.
I enjoy playing games, listening to unusual music and I have no clue how I really feel about politics despite holding strong political opinions (far-Left: Anarchist, Libertarian-Socialist).
Was diagnosed at the age of 15, but I only recently came to terms with it due to the game Katawa Shoujo.

I think this version's probably better than the previous. That one was a mess.
If there's anything more you want to know, please feel free to ask :)



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18 Aug 2014, 1:20 pm

Welkom, Erik!

I am interested in your libertarian-socialism. I am a Jeffersonian democrat (note the lower-case "d"). I have heard about libertarian-socialism, but don't know much about it. What are its core beliefs; and yours?


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18 Aug 2014, 2:06 pm

I like elements of Jeffersonian democracy, many elements.

However (alas), without Alexander Hamilton's monetary policy, and the idea of strong federal government in general, this country probably would have gone into hopeless debt, and not lasted.

The Articles of Confederation were an utter, utter failure. States vying with each other for dominance--like true sovereign "states."



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18 Aug 2014, 3:28 pm

Welcome to Wrong Planet!


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19 Aug 2014, 7:45 am

Thanks y'all :)

Libertarian-Socialism is basically Socialism without relying on a strong state. It vastly differs from Stalinism or "Marxism-Leninism" or any of the totalitarian State-Capitalist nation states we're probably all familiar with.
Libertarian-Socialists/Anarchists draw a lot of inspiration from 19th/20th century figures such as Mikhail Bakunin and Peter Kropotkin. We are the older branch of Libertarianism and I don't quite understand the fact that the current form of "Libertarianism" is basically Capitalist-minarchism that solely focuses on a concept called the "NAP" (which excludes structural violence such as poverty-related sorrow: poor nutrion, disease, limited movement, socio-economical segregation, etc).
Some of our core beliefs are: opposing authority that cannot prove its necessity, the belief we are all equal despite looking and being different. We dislike hierarchy, nation-states, capitalism, state-Communism, police/army, war, violence, chaos (yes, I am aware of the stereotype regarding Anarchism, but we really dislike chaos - we regard capitalism and statism as the source of most of the chaos in this world).
We want a world where people aren't divided by nationality, skincolor, etc, etc and are in favor of worker's control and direct democracy

Hmm, I'm sorry if what I wrote sounds very black and white, haha. I don't think we're the strictest bunch of people, I just tend to be slightly more ideological (and less practical as a result) than most of my peers.

I'm not really all too familiar with Jeffersonian democratic beliefs. I'll give it a quick google search though :) After a quick read, I can conclude that while I like some of the things expressed by this ideology, I can, in general, not say I like it all too much. The notion of "Empire of Liberty" sounds way too aggressive, for example. I'm not all too fond of interventions as that pretty much always seems to lead to chaos, death and destruction and all kinds of unpleasantries. I am interested in learning more about it though, but I'm not sure as to how "alive" this ideology exactly is. Are there many of you?



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19 Aug 2014, 9:14 am

Satyr696 wrote:
...Libertarian-Socialism is basically Socialism without relying on a strong state. It vastly differs from Stalinism or "Marxism-Leninism" or any of the totalitarian State-Capitalist nation states we're probably all familiar with.
Libertarian-Socialists/Anarchists draw a lot of inspiration from 19th/20th century figures such as Mikhail Bakunin and Peter Kropotkin. We are the older branch of Libertarianism and I don't quite understand the fact that the current form of "Libertarianism" is basically Capitalist-minarchism that solely focuses on a concept called the "NAP" (which excludes structural violence such as poverty-related sorrow: poor nutrion, disease, limited movement, socio-economical segregation, etc).
Some of our core beliefs are: opposing authority that cannot prove its necessity, the belief we are all equal despite looking and being different. We dislike hierarchy, nation-states, capitalism, state-Communism, police/army, war, violence, chaos (yes, I am aware of the stereotype regarding Anarchism, but we really dislike chaos - we regard capitalism and statism as the source of most of the chaos in this world).
We want a world where people aren't divided by nationality, skincolor, etc, etc and are in favor of worker's control and direct democracy

Hmm, I'm sorry if what I wrote sounds very black and white, haha. I don't think we're the strictest bunch of people, I just tend to be slightly more ideological (and less practical as a result) than most of my peers.

I'm not really all too familiar with Jeffersonian democratic beliefs. I'll give it a quick google search though :) After a quick read, I can conclude that while I like some of the things expressed by this ideology, I can, in general, not say I like it all too much. The notion of "Empire of Liberty" sounds way too aggressive, for example. I'm not all too fond of interventions as that pretty much always seems to lead to chaos, death and destruction and all kinds of unpleasantries. I am interested in learning more about it though, but I'm not sure as to how "alive" this ideology exactly is. Are there many of you?

Hm. Libertarian-Socialism seems interesting. A friend of mine who is pretty much a supporter of the ideology said many of the same things, especially the correct understanding of anarchy. It all sounds preferable to much of the types of government under which the world is currently suffering.

I believe that the term "Empire of Liberty" means simply that instead of building world empires of militaristic or fascist governments, we would prefer to build ways to share liberty and freedom. Every politician promises such an idea, but very rarely pursues it the day after his or her election. The American Revolution was about just that; taking the time to actually, really, teach and share liberty. While I can't be certain, I doubt Jefferson and his followers intended to mean that their Empire of Liberty would be interventionist.

My initial problem with Jeffersonian democracy was its core belief of opposing the federal judicial branch from creating it own authority to review the constitutionality of certain laws adopted by the federal legislative branch and approved or not by the federal executive branch. It sounded almost dictatorial and flippant to the very Constitution that created it. But, after reading some contemporaneous writings of the Jeffersonians, I learned that they intended the federal judicial branch to affirm all things constitutional unless a petit jury of peers chooses otherwise. In other words, no rights, liberties or priveleges shall be infringed by judges alone, but with the reasonable and integral cooperation of the People in their service as jurors. In this manner, our common laws would have evolved much differently than they have, and would have protected against abuse.

Thank you for your explanation. I enjoy learning about other ideologies anytime!


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19 Aug 2014, 11:27 am

Hm. Libertarian-Socialism seems interesting. A friend of mine who is pretty much a supporter of the ideology said many of the same things, especially the correct understanding of anarchy. It all sounds preferable to much of the types of government under which the world is currently suffering.

I believe that the term "Empire of Liberty" means simply that instead of building world empires of militaristic or fascist governments, we would prefer to build ways to share liberty and freedom. Every politician promises such an idea, but very rarely pursues it the day after his or her election. The American Revolution was about just that; taking the time to actually, really, teach and share liberty. While I can't be certain, I doubt Jefferson and his followers intended to mean that their Empire of Liberty would be interventionist.

My initial problem with Jeffersonian democracy was its core belief of opposing the federal judicial branch from creating it own authority to review the constitutionality of certain laws adopted by the federal legislative branch and approved or not by the federal executive branch. It sounded almost dictatorial and flippant to the very Constitution that created it. But, after reading some contemporaneous writings of the Jeffersonians, I learned that they intended the federal judicial branch to affirm all things constitutional unless a petit jury of peers chooses otherwise. In other words, no rights, liberties or priveleges shall be infringed by judges alone, but with the reasonable and integral cooperation of the People in their service as jurors. In this manner, our common laws would have evolved much differently than they have, and would have protected against abuse.

Thank you for your explanation. I enjoy learning about other ideologies anytime![/quote]

Thanks for understanding, being curious and willing to help others understand your ideology. It's refreshing to see that people I actually may not have a lot in common with when it comes to political ideology STILL take time to explain a thing or two. Also, no insults! Probably the best thing that happened today, if you ask me.
Normally when I talk about Anarchism/Libertarian-Socialism I'm called stuff like Nazi, Stalinist-apologist or something similar.
The word 'Empire' normally frightens me a bit. Sounds like an imperialist, interventionalist, militarized, legalist... thing.

I don't attach a lot of value to the Geneva convention or any constitution as they tend to often be ignored when it really matters.