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11 Jul 2015, 10:51 pm

My youngest daughter came over to visit today. I had her do an aspie quiz for me. She got most the behavior questions right except for socialization. She gives me a lot more credit for socializing than there is in reality. Yes, when I was in school I would talk to classmates. Yes, I talk to people when I do errands. I talk to the neighbors occasionally. But, I don't have any actual friends right now. I have never been able to bridge the gap between seeing someone at school or work to seeing them outside of that setting. Anyway, I walked my dog and when I came back she was gone, then I went to get groceries I came back and she was here watching a make up video, this is where the denial comes in. She took one look at me and guessed I was stressed and she said okay I am going to turn this off for you because it's torture. She is right and then she went home.

I don't know that I have Asperger's. I score high on all the online tests, but I am not sure they are very or at all accurate. A lot of times the answer is none of the above or it's like yes I have that behavior, but it could be because of neglect or abuse that happened when I was a kid. And I am INTP on the Myer's Briggs thing and T's are almost always going to have social problems I think and introverts well being social isn't exactly in the wheelhouse. There is also the theory that INT's both the P's and J's are the prototypical Asperger's personality. So, there is also that possibility that I have the personality traits without actually having the neurological make up of someone who actually has it. I don't know if I want to be tested at this point. I just know I have gotten a lot of grief in my life for my weirdness and I don't know how much it matters if I have an actual disorder or if I am as many people say eccentric.



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12 Jul 2015, 12:52 am

Hey steelysunshine welcome. :sunny:


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12 Jul 2015, 1:32 am

steelysunshine wrote:
My youngest daughter came over to visit today. I had her do an aspie quiz for me. She got most the behavior questions right except for socialization. She gives me a lot more credit for socializing than there is in reality. Yes, when I was in school I would talk to classmates. Yes, I talk to people when I do errands. I talk to the neighbors occasionally. But, I don't have any actual friends right now. I have never been able to bridge the gap between seeing someone at school or work to seeing them outside of that setting. Anyway, I walked my dog and when I came back she was gone, then I went to get groceries I came back and she was here watching a make up video, this is where the denial comes in. She took one look at me and guessed I was stressed and she said okay I am going to turn this off for you because it's torture. She is right and then she went home.

I don't know that I have Asperger's. I score high on all the online tests, but I am not sure they are very or at all accurate. A lot of times the answer is none of the above or it's like yes I have that behavior, but it could be because of neglect or abuse that happened when I was a kid. And I am INTP on the Myer's Briggs thing and T's are almost always going to have social problems I think and introverts well being social isn't exactly in the wheelhouse. There is also the theory that INT's both the P's and J's are the prototypical Asperger's personality. So, there is also that possibility that I have the personality traits without actually having the neurological make up of someone who actually has it. I don't know if I want to be tested at this point. I just know I have gotten a lot of grief in my life for my weirdness and I don't know how much it matters if I have an actual disorder or if I am as many people say eccentric.


Wait, I'm confused. Are you talking about you, your daughter, or both? Also, if she understood how you were feeling by looking at your face, that means she can read facial expressions pretty well, which is something people with Asperger's Syndrome have trouble with. I was diagnosed when I was 5 (I'll be 20 in 2 months), and I even have a hard time reading the facial expressions of my family members sometimes. It's even worse with people I don't know well. By the way, I'm an INFP.



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12 Jul 2015, 2:58 am

I am the one that has trouble reading people. My daughter has no problems in that area. She read that I was stressed by looking at me. I can't really tell how stressed people are by looking at them. She was denying earlier that about how social I am. She was insisting that I like being social and I have no problems talking to people or getting to know people despite the fact I haven't had any close friends for about 15 years now. She insists that I love visiting with her and her boyfriend even though I have only been to her house once in 3 months and they are only 2 blocks away. She comes here to visit me. I am not going to argue with her though, I am glad she thinks I am normal. Maybe a bit weird, but normal.



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12 Jul 2015, 3:04 am

steelysunshine wrote:
I am the one that has trouble reading people. My daughter has no problems in that area. She read that I was stressed by looking at me. I can't really tell how stressed people are by looking at them. She was denying earlier that about how social I am. She was insisting that I like being social and I have no problems talking to people or getting to know people despite the fact I haven't had any close friends for about 15 years now. She insists that I love visiting with her and her boyfriend even though I have only been to her house once in 3 months and they are only 2 blocks away. She comes here to visit me. I am not going to argue with her though, I am glad she thinks I am normal. Maybe a bit weird, but normal.


A lot of people don't seem to understand what it's like to have trouble with social skills. It's so natural and intuitive for them, while for aspies, we have to work hard to even learn simple stuff.



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12 Jul 2015, 6:43 am

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steelysunshine wrote:
My youngest daughter came over to visit today. I had her do an aspie quiz for me. She got most the behavior questions right except for socialization. She gives me a lot more credit for socializing than there is in reality. Yes, when I was in school I would talk to classmates. Yes, I talk to people when I do errands. I talk to the neighbors occasionally. But, I don't have any actual friends right now. I have never been able to bridge the gap between seeing someone at school or work to seeing them outside of that setting. Anyway, I walked my dog and when I came back she was gone, then I went to get groceries I came back and she was here watching a make up video, this is where the denial comes in. She took one look at me and guessed I was stressed and she said okay I am going to turn this off for you because it's torture. She is right and then she went home.

I don't know that I have Asperger's. I score high on all the online tests, but I am not sure they are very or at all accurate. A lot of times the answer is none of the above or it's like yes I have that behavior, but it could be because of neglect or abuse that happened when I was a kid. And I am INTP on the Myer's Briggs thing and T's are almost always going to have social problems I think and introverts well being social isn't exactly in the wheelhouse. There is also the theory that INT's both the P's and J's are the prototypical Asperger's personality. So, there is also that possibility that I have the personality traits without actually having the neurological make up of someone who actually has it. I don't know if I want to be tested at this point. I just know I have gotten a lot of grief in my life for my weirdness and I don't know how much it matters if I have an actual disorder or if I am as many people say eccentric.


Wait, I'm confused. Are you talking about you, your daughter, or both? Also, if she understood how you were feeling by looking at your face, that means she can read facial expressions pretty well, which is something people with Asperger's Syndrome have trouble with. I was diagnosed when I was 5 (I'll be 20 in 2 months), and I even have a hard time reading the facial expressions of my family members sometimes. It's even worse with people I don't know well. By the way, I'm an INFP.


I was also confused about this. It took me a while to realize the situation described.
The mother is the one being tested. The daughter seems normal.
The mother asked the daughter to make a test describing the mother, probably to see how mothers behavior looks from the daughter perspective.
The daughter and mother opinions agree about the behavior but don't agree about socializing - daughter thinks the mother is more sociable than the mother thinks of self.

I still don't understand the "denial" issue with the make up video though. She is in denial because she was watching some video? Or maybe its a "denial" because she realized it makes the mother stressed and she decided to leave? Makes no sense.

The post seems to have a lot of information missing. It requires the ability to read between the lines and figure out what the OP(original poster) might be thinking. I hate it.
The woman seems to think she has AS but her post makes me feel just as confused as I usually feel while talking with a NT. I don't say it is the case - it might as well be the problem with understanding that not everyone thinks what you think common in ASD people. But most of us learn to express our thoughts clearly as we get older and it's the NTs who keep their misleading attitude no matter of their age.



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12 Jul 2015, 6:51 am

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I still don't understand the "denial" issue with the make up video though. She is in denial because she was watching some video? Or maybe its a "denial" because she realized it makes the mother stressed and she decided to leave? Makes no sense.


I think she is in denial about my social skills. She thinks I like to visit with people much more than I do. She thinks I am much more relaxed socially than I am. She thinks I handle situations with people much better than I do. She read my stress level in less than a couple of seconds and left. When the situation is reversed and she is stressed she actually has to tell me before it registers and then I am still not sure what she is distressed over and it takes me a while to get the whole emotional thing she is going through. So basically, the situation as it happened hit me in a stark contrast kind of way. It also occurred to me that she has adapted to my quirks somewhat and she treats me as a neuroatypical person while pretending that I am neurotypical. I am probably still not explaining it right. I sometimes think I have explained things in detail when I haven't even come close.



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12 Jul 2015, 7:18 am

OK. I think I have a clue what you are talking now.
So it bothers you that she thinks you are more social than you are.
Is it really a problem?
Why do you want her to think you are less social than she thinks you are?

Is it because you want to be diagnosed?

Close ones are often the worst diagnosers. Her perspective is biased because she was raised by you and she is used to your social style. She seen you all the time when she was growing up so she considers whatever you do is a norm, deep in her subconscious. Even if she is way more social than you she still thinks there is nothing wrong with you because you act according to the "norm" she keeps deep in her brain. She doesn't pretend you are neurotypical. She is actually convinced that whatever you do is typical.

If you want someone to confirm or dismiss your supposed diagnosis go to a professional.



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12 Jul 2015, 8:13 am

Kiriae wrote:

If you want someone to confirm or dismiss your supposed diagnosis go to a professional.


Okay you got it now. That is what I was trying to figure out. If she was in denial or not. From what you say it makes sense, she is probably not in denial, she just sees me through the filter of her experience. No I don't want a diagnosis for me. I was looking for one for her sort of or at least an explanation of her behavior and how her perception of my behavior could be so far off of what I actually experience.



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12 Jul 2015, 3:44 pm

Hi steelysunshine. My name is Bluebell91. I was diagnosed with Aspergers when I was 17. I'm 24 now. Maybe your daughter doesn't want to accept that you have Aspergers or some diagnosis as this will change her impression of you. She has probably always seen you as a kind caring parent, who is strong and can sort out any problem. She doesn't want to accept that you have weaknesses or problems. She doesn't want you to change in her mind. She depends on you.

In saying that, being diagnosed was the best thing that ever happened to me. If I ever have children, I will tell them young so they see it as something acceptable and not odd. They will have a very high chance of having it themselves anyway, as me and my partner are both diagnosed. I want to be a role model for them and so should you. If you know in your heart and soul that something is not right, if you believe you have it, go to a psychologist and find out. Speculating with online tests causes a lot of anxiety, believe me. A concrete diagnosis will serve you better. I know the right thing will happen eventually.

Anyway, if you want to read some of my own experiences, I have started a blog. I want to share what I've experienced in the hopes of helping someone out there. The link is:

https://wordpress.com/posts/technicolou ... dpress.com



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12 Jul 2015, 4:44 pm

Welcome to Wrong Planet!


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12 Jul 2015, 5:40 pm

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A concrete diagnosis will serve you better.

https://wordpress.com/posts/technicolou ... dpress.com


That's funny I was talking to my significant other. I suspect he is on the spectrum as well, how we had 3 NTs is a mystery to me. But, anyway I was kind of talking observing at the same time this is typical, but I was doing it in a more aware I am doing it hyper state. It was surreal to say the least, I was talking loud only and he pointed that out. He was acting rigid as usual, but a different kind of rigid than I have. My daughter says we are a lot alike and I never ever saw that before, except we are both small town Hillbillies, I knew that. So, short story long as I am inclined to do, I decided I will make a call tomorrow and set up an appointment with the Adult Mental Health Services or whatever they are called. I have the phone number. My doc thinks I am depressed, but the weird thing is I have never ever been more focused on what I am interested in doing.



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20 Jan 2016, 9:04 am

Personally, I am still traumatized by learning I was on the spectrum seven years ago. As for how this is related to the topic, it's because I'm still in denial.