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08 Apr 2020, 1:38 pm

Sometimes I make weird hand gestures or even clap out of nowhere.
What is interesting to me is that I look at my hands while doing it.
Which makes me think that they are stims.
My doctor says they're tics so I must believe her.
I'm taking risperdale.

Risperdale seems to be doing a great job at balancing out my focus too.
I can have better conversations.
Meet more people.

I'm officially not diagnosed with autism.


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09 Apr 2020, 10:18 am

Maybe looking at your hands is a visual stim of some kind



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09 Apr 2020, 3:05 pm

Yes, this does tend to be considered a motor tic(hand clapping and making hand gestures out of the blue.) Facial grimacing, mouth movements, along with head, arm and leg jerks, and neck stretching are also forms. Do you have any vocal tics? Glad the risperdal(risperidone) is helping you.



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09 Apr 2020, 4:24 pm

Tics are irregular, uncontrollable, unwanted, and repetitive movements of muscles that can occur in any part of the body. ... Involuntary repetitive sounds, such as grunting, sniffing, or throat clearing, are called vocal tics. Tics can be invisible to the observer, such as abdominal tensing, toe crunching or eye blinking. Tic disorders usually start in childhood, first presenting at approximately 5 years of age.

A stim is any repetitive self-stimulatory action (such as flapping the hands, bouncing a leg, spinning in a chair, biting the nails, rocking, etc), typically done by autistic people to combat a lack of or overstimulation, but happens in neurotypical people as well.

My granddaughter has a tic. She exhibits throat clearing/grunting.


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10 Apr 2020, 3:35 am

Juliette wrote:
Yes, this does tend to be considered a motor tic(hand clapping and making hand gestures out of the blue.) Facial grimacing, mouth movements, along with head, arm and leg jerks, and neck stretching are also forms. Do you have any vocal tics? Glad the risperdal(risperidone) is helping you.


Vocal how? I would say no, but then again I used to make a lot of throat clearing sounds back in the day.
I'm having trouble understanding it. I thought it was ADHD at first (for some reason...) and now I can't believe that It's just a tic.
My brother had a tic as well -- he used to blink a lot.

In my case it's more complex and often there are associated thoughts and/or distractibility with it (i.e most of the time it happens is because of boredom or because I'm distracted). I also tend to murmur (move my mouth while thinking) to myself. I exhibited hand flapping once or twice from excitement.


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10 Apr 2020, 3:51 am

latency wrote:
Sometimes I make weird hand gestures or even clap out of nowhere.
What is interesting to me is that I look at my hands while doing it.
Which makes me think that they are stims.
My doctor says they're tics so I must believe her.
I'm taking risperdale.

Risperdale seems to be doing a great job at balancing out my focus too.
I can have better conversations.
Meet more people.

I'm officially not diagnosed with autism.


I forgot to mention that I believe I have ADHD.
And also I move my lips while thinking.


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11 Apr 2020, 12:56 pm

latency wrote:
Juliette wrote:
Yes, this does tend to be considered a motor tic(hand clapping and making hand gestures out of the blue.) Facial grimacing, mouth movements, along with head, arm and leg jerks, and neck stretching are also forms. Do you have any vocal tics? Glad the risperdal(risperidone) is helping you.


Vocal how? I would say no, but then again I used to make a lot of throat clearing sounds back in the day.
I'm having trouble understanding it. I thought it was ADHD at first (for some reason...) and now I can't believe that It's just a tic.
My brother had a tic as well -- he used to blink a lot.

In my case it's more complex and often there are associated thoughts and/or distractibility with it (i.e most of the time it happens is because of boredom or because I'm distracted). I also tend to murmur (move my mouth while thinking) to myself. I exhibited hand flapping once or twice from excitement.


Vocal tics as in ...
Like motor tics, vocal tics can be simple or complex. Simple vocal tics involve sounds made by moving air through the nose or mouth, including:

Grunting
Barking
Hissing
Sniffing
Snorting
Throat clearing

Complex vocal tics may involve words, phrases and sentences. Patients with a complex vocal tic may repeat their own words (palilalia) or other people’s words (echolalia), and may use obscene words (coprolalia). These vocal tics may interrupt the flow of a normal conversation or occur at the beginning of a sentence, much like a stutter or a stammer.

Causes and Risk Factors

Generally tics start in childhood and tend to improve during adulthood. If the tic begins in a person’s teens or early adulthood, it will likely be a lifelong condition. Tics may get worse when a patient experiences stress, sleep deprivation, excitement, heat or caffeine.

Source:
https://www.cedars-sinai.edu/Patients/Health-Conditions/Motor-and-Vocal-Tics.aspx

ADHD is a whole othere thing. Many with ADHD have certain gifts or talents as is the case with many "differences" or "disorders" it seems. Hopefully the benefits outweigh the negatives... Many of us on the spectrum can tend to be a bit ADHD at times, even without a diagnosis. I find that caffeine helps me alot in this regard, when I need to focus on something that requires a great deal of concentration and attention. I've never actually hand-flapped as such, but stim in other ways, through swimming and listening to music repetitively, pacing when studying etc.

For me to be more social, takes a specific Doc-prescribed drug. Works wonders for me, as does a little alcohol, though I'm certainly in no way advocating that. Without, I tend to not want to engage with others much if at all.

All the best to you :).



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12 Apr 2020, 12:22 pm

Juliette wrote:
latency wrote:
Juliette wrote:
Yes, this does tend to be considered a motor tic(hand clapping and making hand gestures out of the blue.) Facial grimacing, mouth movements, along with head, arm and leg jerks, and neck stretching are also forms. Do you have any vocal tics? Glad the risperdal(risperidone) is helping you.


Vocal how? I would say no, but then again I used to make a lot of throat clearing sounds back in the day.
I'm having trouble understanding it. I thought it was ADHD at first (for some reason...) and now I can't believe that It's just a tic.
My brother had a tic as well -- he used to blink a lot.

In my case it's more complex and often there are associated thoughts and/or distractibility with it (i.e most of the time it happens is because of boredom or because I'm distracted). I also tend to murmur (move my mouth while thinking) to myself. I exhibited hand flapping once or twice from excitement.


Vocal tics as in ...
Like motor tics, vocal tics can be simple or complex. Simple vocal tics involve sounds made by moving air through the nose or mouth, including:

Grunting
Barking
Hissing
Sniffing
Snorting
Throat clearing

Complex vocal tics may involve words, phrases and sentences. Patients with a complex vocal tic may repeat their own words (palilalia) or other people’s words (echolalia), and may use obscene words (coprolalia). These vocal tics may interrupt the flow of a normal conversation or occur at the beginning of a sentence, much like a stutter or a stammer.

Causes and Risk Factors

Generally tics start in childhood and tend to improve during adulthood. If the tic begins in a person’s teens or early adulthood, it will likely be a lifelong condition. Tics may get worse when a patient experiences stress, sleep deprivation, excitement, heat or caffeine.

Source:
https://www.cedars-sinai.edu/Patients/Health-Conditions/Motor-and-Vocal-Tics.aspx

ADHD is a whole othere thing. Many with ADHD have certain gifts or talents as is the case with many "differences" or "disorders" it seems. Hopefully the benefits outweigh the negatives... Many of us on the spectrum can tend to be a bit ADHD at times, even without a diagnosis. I find that caffeine helps me alot in this regard, when I need to focus on something that requires a great deal of concentration and attention. I've never actually hand-flapped as such, but stim in other ways, through swimming and listening to music repetitively, pacing when studying etc.

For me to be more social, takes a specific Doc-prescribed drug. Works wonders for me, as does a little alcohol, though I'm certainly in no way advocating that. Without, I tend to not want to engage with others much if at all.

All the best to you :).


I think my psychologist has a wrong diagnosis.
Risperdale is helping me with social anxiety as well. It seems like I fall one symptom short of being an aspie.
I like engaging with people...or maybe I don't (I'll have to think more about this).
Alcohol really works to take the edge off social situations (I advocate it, just don't get drunk).

Do you have any idea if risperdale helps with adhd symptoms, cause it is certainly helping me in that regard.
However, I have to mention that I'm also depressed, so maybe my inattention is from depression.


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12 Apr 2020, 3:53 pm

If your psychologist has misdiagnosed you, and this is possible, then it wouldn't be the first time a psychologist got a diagnosis wrong. I feel for you, as you are clearly feeling that all is not right. You may be right. Always, I repeat, always, get a second opinion, if you are ever left in doubt.

As for Risperdal, there has been much controversy over it's use. When it was FDA approved in 1993 specifically as a treatment for schizophrenia and for bipolar disorder in adults, and in 2007 for pediatric schizophrenia and pediatric bipolar disorders, it specifically warned Johnson & Johnson not to market it for any other use in children, including ADHD, because of serious safety concerns. A growing number of Risperdal lawsuits have been filed after children taking the drug for ADHD developed serious side effects. These include:

*Gynecomastia: development of breast tissue in males. Particularly traumatic to a young boy or adolescent who must endure embarrassment and surgery to have the breast tissue surgically removed.
*Pituitary Issues: premature breast development in young girls including lactation and possible pituitary tumors.
*Tardive Dyskinesia: movement disorder causing abnormal facial and limb movements. Often irreversible even when drug is discontinued.
*Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome: serious life-threatening reaction causing muscle rigidity and irregularities in pulse and blood pressure, uncontrollable fever.
*Diabetes: dangerously elevated blood sugar levels.
*Stroke: studies linked Risperdal to an increased risk of stroke, especially in elderly patients.

There is no cure for ADHD, so treatment focuses on relieving the symptoms of ADHD and improving day to day functioning through medication or a combination protocol of medication and behavioral therapy.

There have been at least 1,207 serious adverse events, including 31 deaths, associated with Risperdal use in children between 1993 and 2008. The latest information of the safety of Risperdal as at 2020 ... https://www.consumersafety.org/drug-lawsuits/risperdal/.

ADHD\ADD often goes hand in hand with an ASD diagnosis. The two conditions are highly heritable. Further reading ...
https://pro.psychcentral.com/comorbidity-of-autism-spectrum-disorder-and-adhd/

You wrote: "Do you have any idea if risperdale helps with adhd symptoms, cause it is certainly helping me in that regard.
However, I have to mention that I'm also depressed, so maybe my inattention is from depression."

Yes, it can assist in reducing symptoms, but naturally, this will differ from person to person, and should never soley be relied upon on its own. A combination of medication & therapy is always best. I have seen the behavioural route work well without medication in those with ADHD, just as I've seen both medication & behavioural therapy, support groups beneficial. Support groups don't always go hand in hand with those with ASD, and all therapy should be led by an ASD-friendly therapist.

That's great that you've seen marked improvement in your day to day life from this particular drug. I would say to you though, to be on the ball with noticing any negative changes in regard depressive thoughts. If you ever notice yourself turning to thoughts of suicide, for example, let your Doc know asap.

Inattention can certainly be very much a part of depression. But it is also a hallmark feature of ADHD. People with ADHD are more likely to develop mood problems as adults. They therefore may benefit from medications like bupropion (Wellbutrin) or venlafaxine (Effexor) that treat both ADHD and depression or anxiety.

Personally, I've found that Prozac has worked extremely well for me. Prior to that, I've not used any other medication.



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13 Apr 2020, 12:55 am

Juliette wrote:
If your psychologist has misdiagnosed you, and this is possible, then it wouldn't be the first time a psychologist got a diagnosis wrong. I feel for you, as you are clearly feeling that all is not right. You may be right. Always, I repeat, always, get a second opinion, if you are ever left in doubt.

As for Risperdal, there has been much controversy over it's use. When it was FDA approved in 1993 specifically as a treatment for schizophrenia and for bipolar disorder in adults, and in 2007 for pediatric schizophrenia and pediatric bipolar disorders, it specifically warned Johnson & Johnson not to market it for any other use in children, including ADHD, because of serious safety concerns. A growing number of Risperdal lawsuits have been filed after children taking the drug for ADHD developed serious side effects. These include:

*Gynecomastia: development of breast tissue in males. Particularly traumatic to a young boy or adolescent who must endure embarrassment and surgery to have the breast tissue surgically removed.
*Pituitary Issues: premature breast development in young girls including lactation and possible pituitary tumors.
*Tardive Dyskinesia: movement disorder causing abnormal facial and limb movements. Often irreversible even when drug is discontinued.
*Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome: serious life-threatening reaction causing muscle rigidity and irregularities in pulse and blood pressure, uncontrollable fever.
*Diabetes: dangerously elevated blood sugar levels.
*Stroke: studies linked Risperdal to an increased risk of stroke, especially in elderly patients.

There is no cure for ADHD, so treatment focuses on relieving the symptoms of ADHD and improving day to day functioning through medication or a combination protocol of medication and behavioral therapy.

There have been at least 1,207 serious adverse events, including 31 deaths, associated with Risperdal use in children between 1993 and 2008. The latest information of the safety of Risperdal as at 2020 ... https://www.consumersafety.org/drug-lawsuits/risperdal/.

ADHD\ADD often goes hand in hand with an ASD diagnosis. The two conditions are highly heritable. Further reading ...
https://pro.psychcentral.com/comorbidity-of-autism-spectrum-disorder-and-adhd/

You wrote: "Do you have any idea if risperdale helps with adhd symptoms, cause it is certainly helping me in that regard.
However, I have to mention that I'm also depressed, so maybe my inattention is from depression."

Yes, it can assist in reducing symptoms, but naturally, this will differ from person to person, and should never soley be relied upon on its own. A combination of medication & therapy is always best. I have seen the behavioural route work well without medication in those with ADHD, just as I've seen both medication & behavioural therapy, support groups beneficial. Support groups don't always go hand in hand with those with ASD, and all therapy should be led by an ASD-friendly therapist.

That's great that you've seen marked improvement in your day to day life from this particular drug. I would say to you though, to be on the ball with noticing any negative changes in regard depressive thoughts. If you ever notice yourself turning to thoughts of suicide, for example, let your Doc know asap.

Inattention can certainly be very much a part of depression. But it is also a hallmark feature of ADHD. People with ADHD are more likely to develop mood problems as adults. They therefore may benefit from medications like bupropion (Wellbutrin) or venlafaxine (Effexor) that treat both ADHD and depression or anxiety.

Personally, I've found that Prozac has worked extremely well for me. Prior to that, I've not used any other medication.


Thank you for the long explanation. I will read the articles.


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