Introducing myself (a little)
I'm a diagnosed Asp, 45 years old, husband of a non-Asp woman for 23 years, father of 5, diagnosed when 43, a reluctant citizen of the US (are there any better countries out there?). Right now, I've got problems with severe and frequent migraines and with depression. Bah--enough of that. I'll save such for another forum.
I have considerable people skills for someone with AS, but had to learn them consciously over a period of many years without even knowing I was different in a good way (I consider AS a gift, albeit a problematic one). When I was a child there was no such diagnosis as Asperger Syndrome. And in the boondocks where I grew up, there would have been nothing available to help anyway.
I love my children and my wife. I'm not working right now. I'm a Catholic with great difficulties with my church and my God, but I despise atheism. I cannot be an agnostic, as I have had my share of religious experiences (per William James's book On the Varities of Religious Experience.) In other words, the "a-" part of agnostic doesn't apply to me. Once you start denying your own experiences, your own knowledge, what do you have left? You have betrayed yourself, in my opinion. --I read too much, and can't settle on any one or even two interests. I feel I could be really good at something, if only I could make up my mind. Writing and linguistics are the main contenders. Maybe it's what they call a midlife crisis, but I have a great wish to be something, existentially speaking, that I haven't yet become.
Basically, I've been avoiding my computer for a long time. Used to work with computers, they're one of my periodic fascinations or perseverations. But I need to talk to somebody, I have a people deficit since my best friend died last year (basically, my only friend), hence am here. I'll start to contribute, maybe start a blog.
Glad to be here. Hope I can contribute. Aenigmatista (David, really)
Catching what you said about your religious issues I noticed you still believe in God but you're feeling for lack of knowing a better word or better knowing your circumstances alienated from the faith you were brought up in. I have gone through a similar problem of not wanting to atheist and at the same time not affiliated with organized religion. I know a lot of former Catholics who became Jehovah's Witnesses including my father and if I wasn't raised a Jehovah's Witness nothing religious would probably make sense to me. 3 reasons are because I reject a)warfare b)the trinity c)hellfire (so if I wasn't a Jehovah's Witness Quakers, Judaism and Buddhism would have been my closest bets on what I'd be otherwise)
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Thanks, Johnaster, richie and JetLag. I mean it.
Re religion, I'm still Catholic, at least more than I'm anything else, only for the first time since my conversion I can't honestly say I believe in one, holy, catholic and apostolic church. At least not in the sense I used to mean it. I'm currently very interested in Gnosticism. Too bad it died out finally in the Middle Ages probably, the Bogomils of Eastern Europe being the last with any connection to historical Gnostic religions. (I'm not counting the Mandaeans, who may have been the earliest of all and who have not all yet been exterminated or driven from their homeland somewhere in northern Iraq, 'cause I don't know much about them.) The self-proclaimed Gnostics on the 'Net seems to be crackpots, i.e., worse crackpots than most humans even. Anyway, I can still puzzle myself over what the old guys wrote.
I don't know much about Jehovah's Witnesses and don't want to diss anybody, hope my self-preoccupiedness above didn't come across as a diss (spelling?--God, I'm old). Or the self-preoccupiedness below:
The reason I'm preoccupied with religion (and a certain familial relation, but maybe I'll discuss that sometime in a less public forum) is that I first noticed I had relapsed into another depressive episode after a homily by our pastor, a man whom I almost idolized before and now I want to spit when I think of him. One bad homily does not equal a bad man, much less a bad Church, I know that with my most rational mind: doesn't help the gut feeling though. Also, it was his description of his (and most of the clergy's) vision of what God's peace--Hebrew "shalom"--means. It was a vision of a world in which everyone had a part, everyone belonged to the greater whole, no one was excluded--of course, autism and true brain sicknesses such as dementia and schizophrenia were conveniently forgotten. In the terms he used, they could never be accepted as they are. My immediate reaction was not rational, it was much deeper than that. Sometimes you have to trust those gut feelings, sometimes they're wrong though. It was that I, me, myself, would have no place in this world of "shalom". Rejected, I rejected back. Later I added the rationalizations about schizophrenics etc being left out too. Now tomorrow I have to face another Mass for the first time since (last week I was visiting a sick uncle and didn't attend a Mass).
This idea of peace in this world, that Creation is basically an OK place, just a little cracked around the edges like a good old piece of china that's too wonderful to throw away 'cause it's cracked, that people are the same--I can't stand it. Since I was probably 4 or 5 I've fought the feeling that I'm miserable because I'm bad with the thought that the world is bad and anyone with eyes to see damn well ought to feel miserable. That moment two weeks ago, I gave up fighting this core belief that (along with a thousand other things) makes me who I am. But it's a profoundly un-Catholic belief, as Catholicism is currently preached and expressed. It's been different in the past, but right now that thread of the tradition is dominant. My belief or knowledge or gnosis in God is unshaken, just my current expression of that belief et al. is shaken badly.
Anyway, I thought this confluence (at least in my mind) of religion and Asperger's/Autism was interesting, if extremely distressing for me personally.
Of course I'm not saying that "The world is bad" is or should be a "normative" Asp belief. I hope there's no such thing as a "normative" Asp belief.
Of course "Asps are worth just as much as Normals" is something everybody should believe. So maybe that's one "normative" belief for you. Pardon my idiosyncratic nomenclature.
I've ranted enough. Hello again everyone.
Hey, I like that you used "Asp". It's the impetus behind my moniker -- Vipera Aspis being the 'scientific' name of the Asp found primarily in Europe with the added implication that I am a species out of my native element.
Wow! Father of FIVE! How do you do it?!?
I'm very sorry to hear of the loss of your friend. Like you, I have one very dear friend who is closer to me than all others. I can only imagine what you are going through with this.
Your intro also resonates with me in that I studied many religions as well, finally ending up as an agnostic for now; I did not have any definite religious experience. My mother is a Witness and my sister is a devout Catholic. Another is a Pentecostal Christian, replete with speaking in tongues and religious seizures! Because of this, we've found a large amount of tolerance for those of other religions or the whole family would just blow apart.
I enjoy your reflective and thoughtful posting style. You are most welcome here. I wish you many friends among this extended family.
-- Your Fellow Asp
Welcome.
We do have a Politics, Philosophy, and Religion forum here, but just so you know, it can get rather contentious in there. It's kind of like the mosh pit of WP -- a bit rough, but all in good fun.
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Thanks, ViperaAspis and Ancalagon -- I'll not be discussing religion here anymore. Talking about what was currently bothering you seemed like one way, judgding from other first-timers here, of saying hi. And frankly it's hard for me not to rant about what's currently bothering me. That's all. Vip.--that's quite a mix in your family. Besides me, my family is homogeneous: Baptist.
Ranting here really helped. Having given up the Internet for a while, and having no one in person to discuss these things with, I needed to let off some steam. If even one person enjoyed it, that's great.
Aenig.
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