help, I've been unjustly kicked out of the chatroom

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That seems like a meaninglessly broad definition. If this is the definition ecstasia was using, NeantHuman would've been out of there long ago. And dammit, if I'm doing something wrong, TELL ME!! ! I'll stop rather than face being banned for whatever period of time you have in mind. What ecstasia did was wrong, summarily banning me without being given a chance to know what I was doing and that such behavior would get me kicked.

Actually, he WAS banned.

please answer, ecstasia. Will you give warnings in the future before you ban?

I think Morlock was probably trolling, and probably still IS trolling.

I saw him there before and he seemed suspiciously Trollish.


But then I believe in giving the benefit of the doubt.

Personally, I like diversity of opinion in a forum. I also don't mind a bit of stirring or questioning accepted beliefs.

Where it gets hard, especially in a chat format, is where the stirring takes over and nobody actually gets a chance to discuss any of the points made before new stuff is thrown, too much chaos and not enough connected thought.

I have also been known to just ban particular topics of conversation - if two people have been having a slanging match about it without actually making any progress in any direction. One person has one opinion, the other has the opposite opinion. This is fine. What is not, is repetitive argument in favour of one opinion over the other. That is boring. So that's the kind of stuff I will stop dead. Particularily when it is personal - ie picking on someone because you don't like them, and them defending themselves. No fun in the chat room there. This is not at Wrong planet, but another unrelated set of forums I help manage.

Usually all that is required is a boot from the chatroom to get the combatants to pay attention and stop - like chucking water on them. I've never found a permanent banning necessary.

I don't know how ecstasia runs things. But as long as she's fairly consistent and you know what she expects, you should be able to cope.

What about a special chat channel ruled, by a bot?

The bot is programmed to kick, ban and other stuff.

Hmmmmmm. "Maybe". If you dont know, dont assume. Not when this site is run by a megalomaniac.


Well, that certainly explains why shes the channel operator then. She seems to have a fair amount in common with Alex...

Never tick off an op or even talk to them. Look up who all the ops are before chatting. Or you will be banned and your forum messages will be deleted..er.."moderated". Trust me.

Right. And there is no 'we.' There is just the one or few people in charge who are doing the banning, and they are, or seem to be, invincible.

The bannees should get together and fight the banners.

- Ray M -

A lot of web forums, including those that are NT-related, use the word 'troll' as a word of ridicule. It comes out a lot when they don't want to deal with this or that person. The whole concept is to make people seem worthless, so that they won't come back in the future. A true 'troll' won't care, because they'll stick around and cause trouble.

This is how ridiculous the world is, apparently. You don't know who's who, and you're always wondering if you can trust the person you're speaking to. You're wondering who is and isn't truthful. There's all these thoughts that I suspect people devise when communicating on the Internet. Maybe the word 'troll' should apply to those who truly do troll, but I suspect, and have seen, groups use this word simply to push people out for disagreements.

If the world is a confusing place, it can only spill out onto the Internet, because the same confused people will also be there. And, if the moderators are confused, then all hell is bound to break loose, because their word goes, no matter what anyone else thinks.

We communicate because we are trying to get points across or whatever, but all in all, it really does suck if you really think about it. We're all screwed in the end, so I just say what I feel and think, and I simply don't care if it offends or not. Though, internally, I do care, but if I let that bother me all the time, I'd never be able to function.

- Ray M -

Imagine a world where you couldn't say anything controversial or different, because you'd be ridiculed as a troll. Well, you don't have to imagine it. Welcome to the real world. I have learned a long time ago, before the rise of the Internet, that I simply can't spend all my life trying not to be offensive, so I try not to be, but when I am, I do not care one bit.

- Ray M -

There could be one hundred definitions of the world troll, and it still wouldn't matter. A true 'troll' will not even be offended by trolling, so I doubt if Morlock is a true 'troll.' True 'trolls' don't care whom they hurt, because that is why they are there to begin with, well not always to hurt, but to somehow confuse. True 'trolls' won't come around here asking for sympathy or whatever, but rather come on here and bragging about what they've done. There is a bit of concern in Morlock's writings, so I think we should forget about 'troll,' because he isn't one.

The world is a very disturbing place, but I thought some aspies will have actually understood this and accept us for whom we are. Apparently, some aspies don't care about other aspies. It's the banner that is the problem. It's that simple.

- Ray M -

Aeturnus

Over at the Java Forums there is a fairly legendary troll. Gets banned every couple days but just keeps coming back. He promises that he'll change, but he never does.

He makes this long winded speechs about how sorry he is. Quite frankly the guy baffles me.

So I would say that they frequently do sound like they're expressing remorse.

Actually, that is entirely plausible. I know a few hackers, I dont think it would be hard to find someone who could and would hack into the site and put a crippling glitch in the IP/user name banning system, thereby effectively unbanning all banned members and making it not worth the effort to ban anyone else. Ill have a word with a few people.

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Assasin,

Don't do that. It is not worth the hassle and makes those who are evading the bans look bad. Take the higher ground and say that if alex does not think my contributions to his site are worthy, I will go somewhere where my contributions will be regarded as worth while.

How so?


Um... I havent been banned yet, and considering that I havent posted on this site recently nearly as much as I used to, I wouldnt be that bothered if I was. Therefore, if I "took the higher ground", Id be doing so on behalf of other people. Deciding for them. Considering that Im currently involved in an rl revolution intended to preserve democracy (peoples right to decide for themselves) at all costs, choosing "the higher ground" on other peoples behalf would make me incredibly arrogant and hypocritical.

Besides which, Ive already posted my idea on OTS now, so its out of my hands.