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JuggaspieZ2k
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20 Jun 2012, 3:52 pm

f*****g wonderful... I guess the only place I can go to not be told I am a disease is AFF, and there I would probably get banned if I said all I want to.


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20 Jun 2012, 3:57 pm

Ooh eck, did a post get deleted? Or are you just having a rant? :lol:

I haven't on here for a while. Could you provide an example or ten?



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20 Jun 2012, 3:58 pm

I prefer that we embrace the diversity of opinion. There are those who view autism as a disorder, alongside those who do not. It is, in fact, not even as binary as that. But the important thing is, that every single opinion has a place here. Including yours.


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20 Jun 2012, 3:59 pm

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I prefer that we embrace the diversity of opinion. There are those who view autism as a disorder, alongside those who do not. It is, in fact, not even as binary as that. But the important thing is, that every single opinion has a place here. Including yours.


Amen!



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20 Jun 2012, 4:02 pm

CyclopsSummers wrote:
I prefer that we embrace the diversity of opinion. There are those who view autism as a disorder, alongside those who do not. It is, in fact, not even as binary as that. But the important thing is, that every single opinion has a place here. Including yours.


I guess that's true... It just seems that maybe neurodiversity is dying. And that scares me.


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20 Jun 2012, 4:31 pm

It's not dying. Most of us are still pro-neurodiversity.

It's just that we refuse to reject people for having dissenting opinions. We need their opinions. I think they're wrong, but I want them to be able to explain their views too.


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20 Jun 2012, 4:39 pm

I think everybody has their own opinions. Wrong Planet is not an individual, Wrong Planet is a place for individuals who have their own opinions. I'm certainly not against neurodiversity.



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20 Jun 2012, 7:00 pm

I don't really understand how anyone could think neuro-diversity was dying out in any shape or form.



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20 Jun 2012, 7:06 pm

Ironic that you don't like how ASDs are "Ds" even though ASDs were created due to being Ds by professionals.

I don't understand; why go with a label that's designed as a disorder if you don't want it to be a disorder? It doesn't make sense.



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20 Jun 2012, 7:42 pm

some folks on WP are anti-neurodiversity


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20 Jun 2012, 7:48 pm

You can't please all the people all of the time.



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20 Jun 2012, 8:17 pm

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Ironic that you don't like how ASDs are "Ds" even though ASDs were created due to being Ds by professionals.

I don't understand; why go with a label that's designed as a disorder if you don't want it to be a disorder? It doesn't make sense.


I don't call it ASD. I call it autism. Hans Asperger used that term for this condition without considering it a disorder. (Leo Kanner, who independently used the same term for the same kind of kids, did consider it a disorder, but Asperger didn't.)



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20 Jun 2012, 8:18 pm

Hans called it a personality disorder.



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20 Jun 2012, 8:56 pm

Dillogic wrote:
Hans called it a personality disorder.

I can see why he would think that. So much of what has been described sounds like it is rooted in the personality. It is the individual's way of approaching the world. Instead of saying, " hi, how do you do?" we approach others by sharing information that we find meaningful, thus, informing them. It's an information sharing approach rather than superficial,glib conversation, emotional, or intuitive.



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20 Jun 2012, 9:25 pm

"Autistic psychopathy"--personality disorder, rather than a disorder of the emotions.

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I don't understand; why go with a label that's designed as a disorder if you don't want it to be a disorder? It doesn't make sense.
From my perspective, it doesn't matter what I want AS to be. It's called a disorder because it is a disorder. If I call my cat a "dog", she's still a cat; if I call autism something other than "disorder", it's still a disorder, no matter how much I want it not to be a disorder.

I'd rather look at it from a different angle--to say, "Yes, this is a disorder; so, what does that mean to me?" What it means, is that I have some significant impairments and that I sometimes need help with things. No more than that. People often drag along with the idea of disability all these other ideas they assume are indivisible from it--dependency, inferiority, tragedy. But those things don't need to be attached to disability. They aren't attached to mine.

I wish the neurodiversity movement would work more closely with the disability rights movement in general. Sure, we may not need to worry about wheelchair ramps or sign language interpreters; but beyond the superficial, we do share many of the exact same issues that other disabled people are dealing with. The more the merrier--and the more pressure we can put on lawmakers, businesses, and schools to let us take part in society as equals, instead of just being tolerated on the goodwill of others.


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20 Jun 2012, 10:01 pm

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Is WP anti-neurodiversity 今ow?


Alex: When will NTs learn that all races are equally inferior to Aspies!

:D :D :D


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