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02 Dec 2012, 11:53 pm

I have 0 involvement in doing anything for this site, so my advice is don't give me advice.

I maintain the servers and the software running on them. Anything inside the site's web application code is not my problem.

Having said that - in my view it's incredibly unlikely that whatever software this site eventually does get moved to, it won't be phpBB or php-Nuke.

My suggestion was based on actually being able to get something done. If you want to create a new look for WP - fine, that's great. Don't wait for permission from Alex, just do it. Make something pretty, functional, and amazing. But don't concern yourself with writing PHP to implement dynamic functionality, especially if you lack the web programming experience to do it. Leave that to Alex to figure out how he wants to implement that functionality - be it with a COTS system, or with custom code (PHP or otherwise).


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02 Dec 2012, 11:54 pm

sliqua-jcooter wrote:
it won't be phpBB or php-Nuke.


:'(

Well, not all sad... Nuke was last updated a couple years ago.


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02 Dec 2012, 11:55 pm

bcousins wrote:
Well, not all sad... Nuke was last updated a couple years ago.


That, among other reasons, is why I believe that.


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02 Dec 2012, 11:56 pm

sliqua-jcooter wrote:
bcousins wrote:
Well, not all sad... Nuke was last updated a couple years ago.


That, among other reasons, is why I believe that.


I'd hazard a guess that Alex'd be using a copy of this site as a base.


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03 Dec 2012, 12:04 am

I was going to say something earlier about not wanting to use PHP Nuke because of its lack of support (especially in comparison to WordPress), but I see you guys already understand...



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03 Dec 2012, 12:04 am

First of all, I don't know for sure anything that Alex is planning. I know that he is working on a new version of the site.

What I would do, if I were Alex (again, to be 100% clear, everything that follows is 100% my own opinion and not indicative at all of what Alex is planning), would be to set up wordpress multisite to fix the user blog functionality (and enable image/media uploads), set up vBulletin or another forum package that is equally scalable and stable, tie the authentication mechanisms together via oAuth, charge forum users for blog packages (and media upload capability associated with that), and use the money from that to fund the forum and get rid of a lot of the ads.


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03 Dec 2012, 12:10 am

sliqua-jcooter wrote:
First of all, I don't know for sure anything that Alex is planning. I know that he is working on a new version of the site.


I know that, I'm just chucking my thoughts in.

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I was going to say something earlier about not wanting to use PHP Nuke because of its lack of support (especially in comparison to WordPress), but I see you guys already understand...


Ugh, Wordpress...


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03 Dec 2012, 12:15 am

bcousins wrote:
Ugh, Wordpress...


You can level a lot of fair criticisms of Wordpress, but it's hard to argue with its track record as a blogging platform. Most of the criticism I've heard of Wordpress stem from people trying to use Wordpress as an end-all solution to every application. It isn't. But it's a really powerful blogging platform - and I've seen Wordpress blogs do some amazing things.


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03 Dec 2012, 12:19 am

sliqua-jcooter wrote:
You can level a lot of fair criticisms of Wordpress, but it's hard to argue with its track record as a blogging platform. Most of the criticism I've heard of Wordpress stem from people trying to use Wordpress as an end-all solution to every application. It isn't. But it's a really powerful blogging platform - and I've seen Wordpress blogs do some amazing things.


Thanks for that.



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03 Dec 2012, 12:21 am

sliqua-jcooter wrote:
First of all, I don't know for sure anything that Alex is planning. I know that he is working on a new version of the site.

What I would do, if I were Alex (again, to be 100% clear, everything that follows is 100% my own opinion and not indicative at all of what Alex is planning), would be to set up wordpress multisite to fix the user blog functionality (and enable image/media uploads), set up vBulletin or another forum package that is equally scalable and stable, tie the authentication mechanisms together via oAuth, charge forum users for blog packages (and media upload capability associated with that), and use the money from that to fund the forum and get rid of a lot of the ads.


phpBB is the most-used forums system (and therefore has the most support). It's also very easy to use, and fairly easy to skin, and I already know that it has good integration with WordPress.

As far as ads go, a knowledgeable webmaster uses AdSense to tailor their ads to the desires and needs of the visitors. Also, well-placed ads that flow with the site are far less annoying than ones that look tacked-on.

These statements aren't saying that I am for (or against) ads. Just that I know how to make them better.



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03 Dec 2012, 12:24 am

sliqua-jcooter wrote:
You can level a lot of fair criticisms of Wordpress, but it's hard to argue with its track record as a blogging platform. Most of the criticism I've heard of Wordpress stem from people trying to use Wordpress as an end-all solution to every application. It isn't. But it's a really powerful blogging platform - and I've seen Wordpress blogs do some amazing things.


We had to use it as a CMS earlier in the semester... I ended up making a personal blog with it. I still hate it. But, That's MY opinion.

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phpBB is the most-used forums system (and therefore has the most support). It's also very easy to use, and fairly easy to skin, and I already know that it has good integration with WordPress.

As far as ads go, a knowledgeable webmaster uses AdSense to tailor their ads to the desires and needs of the visitors. Also, well-placed ads that flow with the site are far less annoying than ones that look tacked-on.

These statements aren't saying that I am for (or against) ads. Just that I know how to make them better.


phpBB is the most used forum system, But their support system is crap. Having used it before.

I tend to steer away from ads, personally. Unless you're going to put them somewhere where the user is not overwhelmed, for lack of a better term, by them, there's no point.


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03 Dec 2012, 12:33 am

I've seen more than just the average uses of WordPress though. While I know how it's used on MOST sites, I also know what it is truly capable of. I spend a lot of time browsing sites like Vandelay Design and Smashing Magazine. WordPress can do amazing things if put into the right hands.



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03 Dec 2012, 12:35 am

phpBB is also one of the oldest web-forum packages out there, and while it has a large install base, it has a very small install base with a very large user base. Those implementations that do use phpBB for large forums have heavily modified the application to make it scale.

Scaling a phpBB forum presents a lot of issues because the architecture of the application was never built with scalability in mind.

Integration with Wordpress is entirely irrelevant. Both Wordpress and many other CMSs, as well as phpBB, vBulletin, and many other forum software supports external authentication. Authentication is the only piece that needs to be integrated, therefore it's a non-issue.

As for the issue of ads, fundamentally I agree. However, there is no point in having ads if you can fund your site another way. Essentially what I'm proposing is charging members for the service of providing them file storage space, and a blog. WP doesn't provide file hosting for images posted on the forum - and I've seen a few instances where members would appreciate such a service. Additionally, WP offers blogs for users (and not many users take advantage of the system), but the system is so broken it's difficult for anyone to use it effectively - yet people are still interested in the service.

I see nothing wrong with offering these services at a fair price to keep the site afloat - with the full knowledge that free alternatives are available. It's something like a fundraising drive for a public access radio/tv station - the primary purpose of the transaction is to keep the organization alive, but contributors are rewarded for their donations.

The return rate on network ad providers is so low, even with carefully targeted ads, that a system of direct contribution by members would likely bring more money in than ads would. As long as the key attributes of the community are accessible to all (by that I mean the forums and chat) - I see no issue providing additional services to those people who financially support the site.


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03 Dec 2012, 12:49 am

Asking people to pay to host material on the site in order to support the site? Is that what you're saying? If that is, I doubt that would work. That doesn't sound like something I think people would be eager to do...



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03 Dec 2012, 12:52 am

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Asking people to pay to host material on the site in order to support the site? Is that what you're saying? If that is, I doubt that would work. That doesn't sound like something I think people would be eager to do...


It's an elaboration on "Premium Membership".


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03 Dec 2012, 12:57 am

It's a separation between core functions of the site that people come here for (the forums) - and services that not everybody needs or wants, but some people do and would be willing to pay for it here as opposed to somewhere else if they knew that their money was going to help the site.

I associate premium membership with a somehow elevated status that gives you access to "special" areas of the site - which is exactly what I'm not trying to do. I'm offering the same community for everyone, but offering additional services to people that they would generally have to go elsewhere for.


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