Site Rules - NO SWEARING -But you MAY be told to PISSSSS OFF

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HShl-7Pu3b4

Mods do nothing and moderate the wrong people.

Alex does nothing to mentor new mods, yet this happens.

This site has already had several members suicide from what I've heard and no one did anything prior to the event and Alex, in his usual way, glossed the whole thing over, sent some extremely insensitive emails to the friends of the deceased.

Why don't you start looking after your site Alex????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HShl-7Pu3b4

Oh stop over-reacting.
If being told to piss off is the worst thing to happen to you, you're doing pretty well for yourself.

u mad little flower

As far as I know, piss is not considered a swear word, or it's generally accepted, like "The D word, you know, what beavers make..:/) is. Being told to piss off could be taken as a personal "flame" or attack though. Yet, I still feel like if someone told me to piss off on this site, I would probably not take their words to heart if I did not know them well.

BTW, I did not click the link you provided.

Flower, when I come to WP, I always look to see what posts have come in since my last visit - it's a very quick way to check on what interests me. Your rant doesn't particularly interest me, but it has suddenly come to occupy much of the first page, since you have seen fit to start a new thread in every single subforum.

Three points:

1) If you're feeling suicidal, what do you want us (or Alex) to do, track you down, fly to wherever you are in the world (we have members all around the planet, you know), and hold your little special-snowflake hand until you feel better? We tend to discourage suicide around these parts - but if you're just plain determined to do it, there's not a lot we can do to stop you, ya know?

2) Swearing is indeed against site rules (although here in the US at least, "piss off" isn't considered swearing). You know what else is against the rules? Spamming the forums - an offense which includes starting multiple threads on the same topic in a short period.

3) Piss off.

Oh my god, best post ever.
I almost pissed with laughter.

Quite aside from any swearing or suicide issues, cross posting is a definite no no. Please desist from cross posting all over the site, Little Flower.

You'd be best placing a single complaint in the wrongplanet.net forum, if you feel you must.

Moved.

It is not possible to be responsible for the actions of everybody. People choose to do whatever they like, and others play a blame game upon the aftermath.

The Freund thing was pretty bad from what I have heard from others who were around/moderators at the time

But as for the other suicides, how often have they actually posted they were going to do it before they did it? From the 2 WP suicides I know of, neither did. They didn't even mention it to me or others on MSN. Often when someone's completely set on ending it, they won't leave any clues that could lead to people intervening. They'll only leave notes where they'll be found when it's too late. I'm not saying they should be treated as nothing, but usually when someone postts a suicide thread they're just venting or feeling particularly bad at the time, not actually planning on doing it. And on a site like this, where there are tonnes of depressed people who've probably considered suicide at some point (and many who post about it), you can';t call the police every time it's mentioned. Again, I'm not saying that no action should ever be taken or that people who say they'er gonna kill themselves are all bullshitting, but there's only so much you can ask of moderators

As for the stuff Alex has said to friends, I dunno about other cases except the two I was friends with. For me personally, that is in the past and I don't want to dwell on it anymore. He wasnt the only person who said things like that, and other people have said much worse


Edit: oh and also some people DID take action over the Freund thing. I think Pyraxis who was a mod here at the time (?) did

Wan't this from 2006? Why the sudden rage LittleFlower? From what I've seen, everyone here is very proactive in trying to help anyone who calls out for help. Your passion is appreciated but it would be more helpful and become a useful dialogue if we knew what it is you are trying to accomplish.

Tell us what you want done about it so it can be discussed.

There is very little a website can do about a suicide threat. Most websites I have belonged to outright ban any mention or discussion of it as a result. To expect that Alex or a moderator here could "solve" such a situation, or attempt to, is unrealistic. No one here is a trained suicide counselor, first off, and getting involved without that training can backfire. Second, is the simple fact that figuring out what is truth or fiction on a website is near impossible.

I can assure you that long term members and moderators all worry and care about everyone who seems to be on the edge, and would help if they knew how. But they don't.

I'm agreeing with emlion, this is an excellent post.

To the OP: I don't know what the problem you have is, but I am willing to bet money that you're wildly overreacting and overestimating the situation"s importance.

I'll provide a personal example: my freshman year, there was a girl I thought was very attractive, and after the spring semester ended, she defriended me on Facebook (my only means of contact with her outside random encounters), the equivalent of being told to "piss off". Did I freak out and send her a thousand messages calling her a b***h? No, although I was somewhat angry and very hurt. I thought "this can't be out of the blue, what could I have missed that was sending the same message?" So I thought back through our interactions, and it became obvious how one-sided they were. She would occasionally talk to me on facebook, but never for too long and never without me initiating. When I ran into her at a party, the whole time I was talking to her she was angled away from me, not making eye contact, not trying to continue the conversation. I realized the huge volume of hints that I simply had not processed; the "piss off" message was a last resort. So instead of being angry and overreacting, I thought "how can I avoid that situation again?" and I have done an excellent job of learning non-verbal cues and how to find them. Trust me, the "how can I learn from this" reaction is much better (and less annoying) than the "ARGH EVERYTHING SUCKS BUT ME" reaction.

So I'd like to add a choice: you can either 3) piss off, or 4) adjust your attitude.

We can talk about Fruend now? But he's banned and I got told it's provoking people when you talk about him.

Not to mention DW that proactively involving yourself in a suicide threat the ends tragically without being a trained professional may garner legal consequences as well.

Okay everybody! (not just you League_Girl, I only picked your post to quote).

For your information:

1. Telling people to piss off or insulting or attacking is not on... don't do this, or we'll have to tell you off, and perhaps impose more strict sanctions if that's not enough.

2. Talking about banned members is still not allowed, and the same goes for 2 as went for one.

For the record, Hale was warned for her now infamous riposte towards LittleFlower.

We attempt to be unbiased and apply the rules evenly to all members of this forum.

That directive was posted by Hale_bopp how many weeks ago?

And you're still dwelling on it why?