For the love god, PLEASE STOP with the CAPTCHA.

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20 Jul 2013, 3:22 pm

@spongy: thanks for the laptop advice. I will be asking a lot of questions when I go shopping for a new one.

@FMX: thanks for the advice re: AdBlocker settings. And yes, a guide like that might be helpful, especially if this persists.

@Cornflake, TallyMan: wish you did have access to the CloudFlare settings. Something as large as this, with this many users, needs multiple administrators with the same "controls" as Alex.


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20 Jul 2013, 3:47 pm

spongy wrote:
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I'll keep all that in mind--thanks. People have told me I should just get a new laptop--maybe it's time I broke down and did so. :D

I appreciate the advice, btw. :)



:-) That's no problem at all.
I hope that it might be helpful to you.

New laptops are a great idea :-D even the comparatively cheap ones are quite a powerhouse nowadays.
I got my new one a few months ago (one of the comparatively cheap ones) , and am just delighted with how much better it is than my old one.


Most new laptops come with windows 8 by default.

There is nothing "wrong" with windows 8.

However microsoft has decided to take W8Phone very seriously this time to fight android and ios.
In order to do this their main claim is that if you create a program for windows 8/windows phone 8 you have a program for the other one with a couple of small tweaks.

In order to achieve this they have turned your computer into one big tablet and changed its whole appearance and so on so if you are considering a new laptop please have a look at the display one on the store and see if you can deal with w8 or you should go on a quest to find a laptop that still does w7


I would agree with that.

I certainly can't be bothered with windows 8, but perhaps a different person might prefer it to Windows 7.
It depends on what you want to use an OS for, I guess.

Here's an article by a guy who prefers Windows 7 to Windows 8, who can explain his preference far better than I can -
http://www.howtogeek.com/145984/why-i-still-use-windows-7-after-a-year-of-trying-to-like-windows-8/



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20 Jul 2013, 3:52 pm

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If the site owner is too busy to sort out the problems, then someone else (not me) could be given administrative access to deal with it.
They could indeed.
No, they could not. I have admin access and as I've already said, this is not a service provided by WP.
Your concept of the infrastructure on which WP runs is incorrect.


I think she means admin access to the CloudFlare settings for the site. I'm guessing only Alex can change those?


Assumedly so....

I do not believe that my understanding of the WP infrastucture is incorrect.

If Cornflake does have admin access to the Cloudflare settings, then I request that he logs in and disables the Captchas using the method which I suggested ; because they are far too frequent, and are winding lots of people up.



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20 Jul 2013, 4:06 pm

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The CloudFlare service is not something the users of a website would normally be aware of so many of those sites you claim don't need it are quite probably using it.


This is a moot point.
CloudFlare was established in 2009, and people have been running phpBB board since the first edition was released in 2000.

The fact that nowadays some people who run phpBB boards make use of Cloudflare is an irrelevance, as many people continue to run phpBB boards without using Cloudflare.

Using Cloudflare is definitely not compulsory for everybody who runs a phpBB board.



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Had you experienced the performance issues of this site before it was implemented, you would know how well it functions.


Well, I joined back in March and I'm pretty sure WP forum wasn't this glitchy or CAPTCHA-infested back then....


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Also please note that CloudFlare != CAPTCHA.


So it would seem.... or more accurately, CAPTCHA CAPTCHA CAPTCHA CAPTCHA CAPTCHA and yet more CAPTCHA.


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We have an on-going problem with scammers and spam here and like other sites, the CATPCHA system is one method of helping to reduce it - a necessary evil, it you will, and while none of them are 100% effective at zero inconvenience to human users, they can still be useful.
Clearly the aggressive implementation here, what triggers the challenge and the inability of it to learn from a successful challenge all require fine tuning.


Seemingly so.


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The point of the "wobbly text" is to make it readable by human eyes only; this is how all text CAPTCHA systems work. If the text was displayed nice and straight then it would be trivial to have a bot read it and pass the challenge, defeating the purpose of issuing it.


... except that if human eyes often can only read the one nice, straight word... and if the system only needs that to be typed in... then that rather defeats the whole point of it. I've been asking somebody to help me decipher the incoherent word in some of the Captchas, and the other person agrees that some of them are far from legible.

I shall see whether I can get it to accept me only typing in the legible word ; like I said before though, it was making me type in both words previously.


edited to fix dodgy syntax for the quote boxes



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20 Jul 2013, 4:11 pm

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I shall see whether I can get it to accept me only typing in the legible word ; like I said before though, it was making me type in both words previously.


No. It is still insisting that I type in both words.
Either that or I'm ridiculously unlucky.

I just tried ten times to get through the Captcha by typing only one word, before giving up on that idea and struggling my way through both words of the next Captcha.
:wink:

If you flip a coin ten times, and get heads every single time... then those are the chances of me happening to pick the "one wrong word" every single time, through coincidence.

What's wrong with using Captchas which have pictures, and ask you to identify what it is ?



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20 Jul 2013, 4:24 pm

It's quite annoying indeed. Seems to get worse for me. Started from once a day to almost every post/pm.



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20 Jul 2013, 4:31 pm

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Both me and Cornflake have admin rights in addition to mod rights. I means we have a larger toolbox of actions we can take - provided CloudFlare doesn't get in the way and stop us from doing our work as has been happening recently.


I'm guessing that neither of you have direct FTP access to the website (which is what would ne required in order to repair phpBB glitches) ? Because, most likely Alex is the only one with full admin access to the website ?

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Getting Alex to do anything is always an uphill struggle and he often takes several days or several weeks to respond to anything from us. Sometimes he ignores the site and any problems here for several months at a time.


I used to have landlords like that.... although I guess they were really slumlords....
The last ones I had still haven't managed to get another tenant, even a year after I left their rented property.
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He is supposed to be working on a new version of the site software, but I've heard that said for several years and so far nada, zilch. I doubt it will ever happen. So the site is likely to continue limping on until sooner or later something maybe hits the fan and the site crumbles completely. Using CloudFlare was a last ditch attempt to get the site to handle the heavy load and to repel spammers; but it isn't without its penalties or problems.


I get the impression that Cloudflare is probably designed for websites/forums with much less "internet traffic" than WP has.... especially nowadays, as WP seems to be growing in popularity all the time.



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20 Jul 2013, 4:36 pm

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I'd like to point out that with this captcha business, before it was implemented, the implementor should have become thouroughly familiarised with the control of said software, and set it up accordingly.



It sounds as though he might have done that.
However, it is also necessary for the implementor to assess the situation from time to time and establish that the software they have chosen to implement continues to function in an appropriate way, and to ensure that they are familiar with any changes to how such implemented software functions.



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20 Jul 2013, 5:17 pm

I'm angry now. I just spent HALF AN HOUR creating a thread with an exceptionally long opening post. I tried to post the thread, and I was asked to fill in a captcha. Then my browser crashed, and the post which took half an hour and quite a bit of research to write was lost. If I weren't redirected to the f*****g CloudFlare page, the thread would've been posted. f**k this. I won't be posting here again until this utter mess is sorted out. :evil:



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20 Jul 2013, 5:30 pm

I think there's a glitch in the WP message board (MODERATORS, PLEASE LISTEN). I never have to submit a captcha, and yet it sounds like some of the members have to do it every time. I hope this message doesn't cause this to now happen to me, because I can't read the captchas, I keep having to refresh them, and I still fail (on other sites). What are the "rules" that make some people have to submit them? How do we take a "test" so we don't have to do them?



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20 Jul 2013, 5:37 pm

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I'm angry now. I just spent HALF AN HOUR creating a thread with an exceptionally long opening post. I tried to post the thread, and I was asked to fill in a captcha. Then my browser crashed, and the post which took half an hour and quite a bit of research to write was lost. If I weren't redirected to the f***ing CloudFlare page, the thread would've been posted. f**k this. I won't be posting here again until this utter mess is sorted out. :evil:


:? Urgh.... yet another casualty of the SNAFU that is WP forum.

To use a Brianism..... "Whose leg do you have to hump to get a post made around here ?"
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20 Jul 2013, 6:03 pm

Now I'm getting recaptchas on posts with no quotes or links.

This is ridiculous.



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20 Jul 2013, 6:23 pm

It ate one of my PMs, I've had more CATCHA prompts this morning then I had in all my years on WP.

Are we under that much of a spammer wave?


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20 Jul 2013, 6:25 pm

Fogman wrote:
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I'd like to point out that with this captcha business, before it was implemented, the implementor should have become thouroughly familiarised with the control of said software, and set it up accordingly.


Since cloudflare is the controller of the software in question, this could be the result of a coding change in the software itself that has caused this to happen on, more than likely, a multitude of sites that use cloudflare. There's ultimately nothing WP can do to change that, regardless of how well the system is known by those who have them on their sites.

It's a bit like a windows update for a computer that you own, that update could cause problems for every user, but the user's familiarity with the complexities of windows won't help them solve the problem, it's ultimately up to the distributor to correct the problem with a change in the coding to correct the malfunction.

Ultimately, whatever change was made, likely was not supposed to cause this kind of malfunction in the captcha system. More than likely it was reset to include more aggressive spambots that have been able to penetrate the system and bypass the captcha in some way. This of course, is only speculation because I didn't write it, however it seems to be the most logical explanation.


Granted yes, CloudFlare is the controller of the software, and as such captcha is a service provided by CloudFlare, but I find it odd to think that CloudFlare does not provide end user, (IE Site admins who use their service) access to taylor the services provided to WP administrators.

If there are no admin privileges for users of their service, then I find the decision to use their service as-is to be profoundly poor. --it's essentially tantamount to subcontracting a third party to moderate the content of this, and presumably any other site that utilise their services.


They don't allow such access for the same reason other companies don't. In the case of the captcha service, they (the captchas) aren't normally tailored to specific domains and instead are more generalized for a multitude of servers and domains by the provider in question. If any access was given to end users to make changes, there would literally be thousands upon thousands of users modifying it at any given time, and more than likely causing a multitude of problems for everyone else from the amount of malfunctions that are inevitable to occur in such a case because the updated system would never be known to any two people modifying it at the same time.

WP is only one out of probably thousands of domains to use cloudflare's captcha service, it wouldn't even be conceivable to host different services for different domains for the sole purpose of end user modification.

The catch-all nature of the service can be hindering at times, yes, but in the end it's the most affordable for the host.
If WP were to create such a system on it's own, admins could modify it at any time, but such a thing requires almost constant mantainence and a rather large storage backup in case of DDOS type attacks (overloading it with information until it shuts down), which any server is potentially susceptible to under the right conditions, especially smaller ones. Cloudflare is equipped to handle such a thing, I can tell you that WP is not (unless Alex has something in the way of a few TBs of data hiding somewhere on this server), which is why they are a good choice for services, as-is basis or not.

I hope that's clarified the reasoning behind why there is no end user modification capability.


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20 Jul 2013, 6:26 pm

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20 Jul 2013, 6:27 pm

Now I'm being "Captcha'ed" when I send a PM.

This is going to drive away some members.