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Going back to cutebot, there was not many people online, and some people were playing with cutebot, and I did not want to ruin the fun that other people had playing with cutebot. I ended up banning cutebot, but I did not do it right away.

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See this sort of nonsense has no place being on here.

It is about time the chat is orphaned, and provides its own support.

there is a problem with that idea, although I think it's trivial, Alex is currently set as founder (+F flag on freenode's chanserv) and only he can transfer it to another person

the ONLY option I can see is taking that matter up with Alex, unless someone cares to tell me otherwise

but as long as Alex has that +F flag, HE has total control over the channel's existence

Both sides accuse me of being biased.

Is there any better evidence for (attempted) neutrality?

Gerrit (a.k.a. Arsanerit, Eeyore, Iejoor; operator in #wrongplanet)

so spamming the channel is ok as long as people are having fun


how do you even breathe

Nothing to stop someone else making a new channel really.

which has been tried, and the new channel promptly becomes the de facto enemy of the old and the target of much harassment

or the new channel is ignored and unused

both scenarios have taken place in the past

So why bother going there?

Well get someone competant to make the new channel then. Hell if you are desperate then I will help you lot out.

thanks, Kangoogle, that's the best suggestion I have heard, yet.

Merle

Spamming the channel is not okay, but I am not perfect, hopefully I learn through my mistakes. I should have ban cutebot sooner. Next time I see a bot I will get rid of it sooner.

nope

I have +F on a spin-off channel which sadly is targeted by numerous bullies and I have had a hell of a hard time keeping them out, I have the +F flag on behalf of the channel owner, I don't consider it mine, but I am one of the best ops there

sometimes creating a new channel, spinoff or not, subjects the channel to targets by bullies, which has happened in my example here

Kangoogle, it's still a good idea though

on a side note, Nakpinji was k-lined from freenode for numerous ban evasion attempts and harassment of several users

i dont doubt you actually believe that

in my eyes Gerrit, you're not biased

I don't want to see this server/channel.. I HAVE to.

IRC opping is hardly rocket science. Running a channel smoothly is even less complex. It sounds like there are some fairly obvious flaws in your basic rules and guidelines, and apparently in your op selection as well. I'd have to look to be sure.

What's all this bitching about logging channels? Logs should be standard and timestamped. It saves so much hassle. Also, nothing said in a public forum (in the classical sense of the word) is private. Its like shouting in a library.

Probationary periods? Half-opping? Temp-opping? Decent communications between ops (do you have a channel ops room?) and the IRCops ... (is there any?) Server Ops anywhere? Is there an Oper Help channel?

Decent coverage of timezones for ops? Like the forum, you need a good spread.

Well designed bots.. they can easily akick for bod stuff (flooding, spamming, verboten words) .. or language filters? All available IRC tools... I'm assuming here that you're aiming for a vaguely PG, vaguely child-friendly channel. Do you have any process or precaution for potential grooming, or other noncery?

Teaching Ops how to use their abilities would probably help. From what I recall, some of the ban formats I've seen used are pretty damn poor and ineffective. (As posted here by log).

And I wouldn't advise locking this thread, because it seems like the chat lacks a decent way of handling complaints or issues, and it wouldnt appear that this really comes under the "not discussing bans" rule for THIS forum.

Which leads me to a variant query: Can we get a refinement on that rule here, because I dunno about discussing bans or banned members, but it seems that many users are oft frustrated by their inability to even get a decent explanation? Semantics perhaps, but for some, its a worry.

I do hope that you explain why people are being banned on the IRC better than happens on the forum, because thats a fast way to create discontent, and f*****g with IRC is so much easier than f*****g with a forum. At a basic level, a disgruntled chatter can cause vast amounts of damage....