How we deal with racism and hate speech on Wrong Planet

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25 Aug 2020, 1:22 pm

Romofan wrote:
Like the defenders at Singapore, Alex has his big guns pointed in the wrong direction. WP does NOT have a big racism problem. It has a big anti-Trump problem. THAT is where most of the heat and hatred, the unseemly posting, is directed.

Since Alex seems to share the prejudice, nothing will be done about it. But that prejudice is what would drive many people away from WP. It is also the basis of the (at times) nasty tone of most problematic threads.



No, what it will do is create echo chambers. It already is happening on many places. Facebook does it, Twitter, Reddit, youtube.

If I were to go on a right wing website, I am sure I would be shot down too for my liberal views and for pointing out racism in society and white privilege. The right wingers just love to say it's all leftists who love to call out names to people who don't agree with them :roll:


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25 Aug 2020, 1:25 pm

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The Brownshirts (SA) became irrelevant after Hitler came to power. They were purged by Hitler.

The SS (Gestapo) wore mostly black uniforms, with a little red and white.

I learned most of this through watching Hogan’s Heroes. In that show, Jews played Nazis and German soldiers.

Unfortunately, the Nazi flag was red.

I’m sorry people were triggered by the red color.


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In 1942, because he was Jewish, he was deported to the Nazi concentration camp at Ottmuth, in Upper Silesia (now Poland). He was tattooed with the identification "A5714" on his left forearm. He was later sent to Buchenwald concentration camp.

At Buchenwald, he sang to an audience of SS soldiers every other Sunday, accompanied by an accordionist. He said, "Singing, entertaining, and being in kind of good health at my age, that's why I survived. I was very immature and young and not really fully realizing what situation I was involved with ... I don't know if I would have survived if I really knew that."

Writing about his experience, Clary said,

We were not even human beings. When we got to Buchenwald, the SS shoved us into a shower room to spend the night. I had heard the rumours about the dummy shower heads that were gas jets. I thought, 'This is it.' But no, it was just a place to sleep. The first eight days there, the Germans kept us without a crumb to eat. We were hanging on to life by pure guts, sleeping on top of each other, every morning waking up to find a new corpse next to you. ... The whole experience was a complete nightmare — the way they treated us, what we had to do to survive. We were less than animals. Sometimes I dream about those days. I wake up in a sweat terrified for fear I'm about to be sent away to a concentration camp, but I don't hold a grudge because that's a great waste of time. Yes, there's something dark in the human soul. For the most part, human beings are not very nice. That's why when you find those who are, you cherish them.

Clary was liberated from Buchenwald on April 11, 1945. Twelve other members of his immediate family were sent to Auschwitz concentration camp; Clary was the only survivor. When he returned to Paris after World War II, he learned that three of his 13 siblings had not been taken away and had survived the Nazi occupation of France.

In 1965, the diminutive 155 cm (5 ft 1 in) Clary was offered the role of Corporal Louis LeBeau on a new television sitcom called Hogan's Heroes, and he accepted the role when the pilot sold. The series was set in a German prisoner of war (POW) camp during World War II, and Clary played a French POW who was a member of an Allied sabotage unit operating from inside the camp.

Asked about parallels between LeBeau's incarceration and his own, Clary said, "Stalag 13 is not a concentration camp. It's a POW camp, and that's a world of difference. You never heard of a prisoner of war being gassed or hanged. When the show went on the air, people asked me if I had any qualms about doing a comedy series dealing with Nazis and concentration camps. I had to explain that it was about prisoners of war in a Stalag, not a concentration camp, and although I did not want to diminish what soldiers went through during their internments, it was like night and day from what people endured in concentration camps."


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25 Aug 2020, 1:31 pm

^ It’s excellent that you are illustrating why calling someone a Nazi is not to be taken lightly.



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25 Aug 2020, 1:31 pm

If I were to go on a right wing website...

I did not think that WP was supposed to be "Left-leaning". I actually come here to listen and learn about Aspergers and related issues, not politics. Politics just seems impossible to avoid, for some reason.


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25 Aug 2020, 1:35 pm

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I'm done being diplomatic.

Alex, all of our attempts to reason with you have failed. There was I time I would have thanked you for creating the place where I met my husband, and found acceptance among people who share my struggles.

In the last few days you've made many deeply troubling comments that, among other things, promote ableism. I don't know where everyone else stands, but I personally don't feel comfortable with you speaking on our behalf as an ASD advocate.

You've lost the plot.

Furthermore, you harm the anti-racism and BLM movement by making sweeping generalizations, that will inevitably push people away from the ultimate goal.

Give admin powers to the mod team and let those who are better at this stuff address the community.

With all due respect, just a page earlier in this thread you posted the hail emoji ( :hail: ) in response to a comment that contains some blatantly ableist comments directed at me me so it makes me wonder.

While I understand that people may have issues with being called racist if it's unfounded, I think we can deal with figuring out how to prevent that from happening in a constructive manner.

I think the issue is the definition of the word racist has changed from meaning just a hateful person who genuinely believes that people of another race are inferior to meaning someone who says something or does something that is problematic to another race. For instance, a lot of people would say it's racist to use certain expressions that are unique to black culture even though obviously it's likely not coming from a bad place. Even saying "yas queen" as a white person would be viewed as racist by a number of black people.

Clearly the membership here is not as up-to-date with that shift in understanding as I thought and I do apologize for not realizing that I'm probably in a bubble working in the entertainment industry and living in a progressive coastal city. I think that would be a valid point to make regarding the new guidelines. It appears a lot of people still see the term racist in the older more specific tone. So that's a discussion we should have about it.


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25 Aug 2020, 1:38 pm

Never heard “yas queen” before.



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25 Aug 2020, 1:40 pm

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25 Aug 2020, 1:40 pm

WP was not designed to appeal to only the “left.”



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25 Aug 2020, 1:42 pm

Too bad Google Translate doesn’t have Runic.



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25 Aug 2020, 1:45 pm

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Like the defenders at Singapore, Alex has his big guns pointed in the wrong direction. WP does NOT have a big racism problem. It has a big anti-Trump problem. THAT is where most of the heat and hatred, the unseemly posting, is directed.

Since Alex seems to share the prejudice, nothing will be done about it. But that prejudice is what would drive many people away from WP. It is also the basis of the (at times) nasty tone of most problematic threads.

I do hate Trump and I'm first to say worst things about Trump himself but stretching it to Trump supporters is mega harmful on multiple levels - including actually empowering Trump.


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25 Aug 2020, 1:47 pm

Yes, people use the "old" (read: actual) meaning of the word racist, not the insane american leftist version. You accepting that version over the real one should give you a hint as to why people think you're a leftist despite your love of Joe Rogan and hatred of the Prius.


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25 Aug 2020, 1:52 pm

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Here is my Nazi shirt :lol:

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My Red “Nazi” shirt has La Catrina on it holding a margarita and says Puerto Vallarta.


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25 Aug 2020, 1:53 pm

Words evolve:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/diction ... 0daredevil.


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The earliest meaning of English bully was “sweetheart.” The word was probably borrowed from Dutch boel, “lover.” Later bully was used for anyone who seemed a good fellow, then for a blustering daredevil. Today, a bully is usually one whose claims to strength and courage are based on the intimidation of those who are weaker.


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25 Aug 2020, 1:55 pm

Yes, language evolves. Naturally. This is an attempt to re-define an existing word. Artificially.


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25 Aug 2020, 1:59 pm

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Yes, language evolves. Naturally. This is an attempt to re-define an existing word. Artificially.


Bully was an existing word and that got redefined somehow in the past.

I am sure other words we have now will also evolve in the future.


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25 Aug 2020, 1:59 pm

I do hate Trump and I'm first to say worst things about Trump himself...

That honest sentiment is at the root of much of WP's tone these days. Not "racism".

BTW I'm not saying you have to like Trump (or Biden) in any way. You don't. It's just the constant hostile edgy extreme expression of such hatred is damaging the site, In my (limited) opinion.


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