LGBT forum. Good thing for WP or just yet another subforum?

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Do we need a LGBT subforum?
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no 36%  36%  [ 10 ]
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06 Dec 2010, 6:06 pm

so a subforum for debating religion isnt actually to help religous people. ok.


cool.



what if an LGBT person who has aspergers or autism is being being bullied BECAUSE they are LGBT... that doesn't belong in L&D does it?

at least half of what ive seen in the politics/religion bit is people comparing gay marriage with bestiality... *sigh*



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06 Dec 2010, 6:17 pm

StevieC wrote:
so a subforum for debating religion isnt actually to help religous people. ok.


cool.


It's actually more of a warzone on here I believe. I don't tend to go in as there's no point in trying to persuade someone away from their religion but from what I hear in other forums on here you'd be daft to go there for discussion without expecting any predudice appearing against your chosen (non)religion.



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06 Dec 2010, 8:53 pm

I do kind of wonder if having a GBLT forum here is a bit redundant though. So many people on the board are either gay, bi, or a bit transgender. It is far more common than in the NT population.


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07 Dec 2010, 3:31 am

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If you want a forum specifically for transgender people to give each other advice... Go join one.

Seriously, I don't want to sound discriminatory or anything, but one Asperger's forum can't do everything. I still think there should be a men's forum if there's a women's one, but apparently, no, they won't do that.


If you want a forum to discuss politics, go join one.

If you want a forum to discuss video games, go join one.

etc etc

I don't see the problem with having a GLBT forum. What is the big deal? It doesn't harm anyone and it might help some people. If it's not used then get rid of it, but what's the harm in trying it out?

And as for there being a men's forum, there was one. And it wasn't posted in enough so was removed. So wh not try a gay/trans forum like they did a men's forum and they have a woman's forum?



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07 Dec 2010, 6:18 am

Volodja wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
If you want a forum specifically for transgender people to give each other advice... Go join one.

Seriously, I don't want to sound discriminatory or anything, but one Asperger's forum can't do everything. I still think there should be a men's forum if there's a women's one, but apparently, no, they won't do that.


If you want a forum to discuss politics, go join one.

If you want a forum to discuss video games, go join one.

etc etc

I don't see the problem with having a GLBT forum. What is the big deal? It doesn't harm anyone and it might help some people. If it's not used then get rid of it, but what's the harm in trying it out?

And as for there being a men's forum, there was one. And it wasn't posted in enough so was removed. So wh not try a gay/trans forum like they did a men's forum and they have a woman's forum?


I'm sorry, but 4 posts (inc. 2 in this thread) and you know about the history here? Has someone been here before?

It's funny how supporters of this seem to ignore any genuine reasoning against the proposed forum, instead replying to the more abrasive and easily answered posts...

Politics, gaming, etc aren't already covered elsewhere and are not splitting people based on sexual or gender orientation, which are no reasons to split people in an more understanding community like this.



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07 Dec 2010, 11:00 am

Volodja wrote:
If you want a forum to discuss politics, go join one.

If you want a forum to discuss video games, go join one.

etc etc


OK, in that case, I want a forum specifically for discussing Call of Duty. I know there's already a gaming forum, but I want one specifically for one game! Why? I don't know, I JUST DO.

Get my point?



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07 Dec 2010, 2:34 pm

Having a specific LGBT or whatever forum is redundant because if you are having dating issues, it can be answered in L&D; if you are being bullied because you are gay, it can be answered in the Haven, et cetera. There really is no need to lcutter the forum with more sub forums when all LGBT issues can probably be answered in the existing sub forums.



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08 Dec 2010, 12:20 pm

StevieC wrote:
so a subforum for debating religion isnt actually to help religous people. ok.


cool.


Indeed. As I recall, some posters have asked for the creation of another religious forum not centred around debate where they could discuss religion in a less abrasive setting, which would be a forum to help religious people. It wasn't created.



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08 Dec 2010, 7:43 pm

if you want 2 talk about COD, create a topic in gaming.

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08 Dec 2010, 7:44 pm

McTell wrote:
StevieC wrote:
so a subforum for debating religion isnt actually to help religous people. ok.


cool.


Indeed. As I recall, some posters have asked for the creation of another religious forum not centred around debate where they could discuss religion in a less abrasive setting, which would be a forum to help religious people. It wasn't created.


yeh cos it wouldn't work. put 2 people of differing religions and within 2 mins they'll be arguing over who is in the right, etc.



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10 Dec 2010, 7:34 pm

i think that if WP only had a couple of subforums already, then it would make sense that it would clutter things to add one more. but there are lots of smaller subforums already, and this one is no more specific than those ones are.

maybe if cluttering is a problem, WP could clean out some of the lesser-used subforums, or ones that don't relate to AS at all? because there are a few that are gathering dust. if we want to keep things on-topic and less divided, do we really need a forum games section, for example? that isn't related to AS at all.

the Bipolar, Tourette's etc. subforum is almost entirely composed of topics that would all fit in other categories already. but it is nice to have one central subforum to find support instead of digging through other categories. i think that very few people marginalize or limit themselves to that one forum only, so it is not exclusive or divisive to have the "other disorders" subforum.

my own philosophy - we are all on a spectrum (including NTs), and WP is a place for people in difficult situations to feel welcome, even if they don't have AS (have you noticed that large number of NTs who post here? they must gain someething from being here too). people who are ADHD or Bipolar often feel like they are on the wrong planet in real life, and i'm sure that some GLBT people feel the same way. i think the subforums are a way to attract and include people who feel marginalized in the outside world.


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11 Dec 2010, 7:34 pm

I still don't understand why GLBT people don't think they can post about their issues in any other parts of the forum. Do they really think the general WP population is bigoted enough to not understand and help?

Giving them a subforum seems like segregation to me. Openly posting about their issues wherever they want on WP; that's the definition of GLBT acceptance to me, not segregating them.



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11 Dec 2010, 10:01 pm

Should we get rid of the women's forum as well then?



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12 Dec 2010, 2:09 am

Volodja wrote:
Should we get rid of the women's forum as well then?

exactly. why keep women's issues separate? and did the creation of the women's forum promote any sort of segregation? if it didn't, then i don't see why a GLBT subforum would be any different.


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12 Dec 2010, 1:14 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
i think that if WP only had a couple of subforums already, then it would make sense that it would clutter things to add one more. but there are lots of smaller subforums already, and this one is no more specific than those ones are.

maybe if cluttering is a problem, WP could clean out some of the lesser-used subforums, or ones that don't relate to AS at all? because there are a few that are gathering dust. if we want to keep things on-topic and less divided, do we really need a forum games section, for example? that isn't related to AS at all.

the Bipolar, Tourette's etc. subforum is almost entirely composed of topics that would all fit in other categories already. but it is nice to have one central subforum to find support instead of digging through other categories. i think that very few people marginalize or limit themselves to that one forum only, so it is not exclusive or divisive to have the "other disorders" subforum.

my own philosophy - we are all on a spectrum (including NTs), and WP is a place for people in difficult situations to feel welcome, even if they don't have AS (have you noticed that large number of NTs who post here? they must gain someething from being here too). people who are ADHD or Bipolar often feel like they are on the wrong planet in real life, and i'm sure that some GLBT people feel the same way. i think the subforums are a way to attract and include people who feel marginalized in the outside world.


It's not a case of cluttering up really, it's about moving LGBT people from within the existing forums and putting them on their own where staight people are unlikely to join them and where some LGBT people will remain. I know I for one could contribute to a discussion about LGBT problems but wouldn't go into a dedicated forum for it, neither would many others.

Most NT's on here are here because of an AS friend/family member/partner, the aim of WP is not to provide a place for anyone feeling unwelcome.



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12 Dec 2010, 1:18 pm

hyperlexian wrote:
Volodja wrote:
Should we get rid of the women's forum as well then?

exactly. why keep women's issues separate? and did the creation of the women's forum promote any sort of segregation? if it didn't, then i don't see why a GLBT subforum would be any different.


It didn't create segregation because it doesn't cater for all problems of women where an LGBT forum could. I don't see why there is a seperate womens forum anyway.