Please can you get the server thing sorted out?

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04 Jun 2012, 11:33 am

I don't get the Cloudflare error message that often.

For some reason I tend to be routed to the French Cloudflare server (despite living in the UK). Strangely I get routed to different Cloudflare servers depending on which site I visit (although hardly ever the London server).



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05 Jun 2012, 7:29 pm

So, what is the problem? Does WP have too much traffic on its forums for the bandwidth allotted by the servers? Posting and refresh is very slow sometimes. Is that the "server problem", basically lack of resources or are there secondary issues?

I am hoping any day now someone would post a rambling discussion on what the "server problems" are? :)
I wonder if sliqua-jcooter knows?



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05 Jun 2012, 7:43 pm

sliqua-jcooter wrote:
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I'm not coming here nearly as often because of it.

You might want to make the server completely unavailable to me then. ;)


This is less than useless... which "server thing" are you referring? I'm aware of several.


So far, this is the most immature reply I've ever read. "This is less than useless." Worst thing that can come out from someone who claims to admin Plank's domain. This is unbelievable, sliqua-jcooter, considering you own (or partly own, at least) the servers WP are on.


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06 Jun 2012, 2:40 pm

jackbus01 wrote:
So, what is the problem? Does WP have too much traffic on its forums for the bandwidth allotted by the servers? Posting and refresh is very slow sometimes. Is that the "server problem", basically lack of resources or are there secondary issues?


Yes, the slowness is a server problem. It doesn't look like the site is getting too much traffic. It just has issues, and apparently the owner is not interested or willing to fix it.



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06 Jun 2012, 5:05 pm

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People can't be civil.

Indeed, I find the jackasses that paint with a broad brush are often the worst at practicing civility.
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This ^^^ post is an excellent illustration of lack of civility. :lol:



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06 Jun 2012, 6:32 pm

jackbus01 wrote:
So, what is the problem? Does WP have too much traffic on its forums for the bandwidth allotted by the servers? Posting and refresh is very slow sometimes. Is that the "server problem", basically lack of resources or are there secondary issues?

I am hoping any day now someone would post a rambling discussion on what the "server problems" are? :)
I wonder if sliqua-jcooter knows?


I can't talk about specifics publicly, but there are several "server problems". Some of which aren't related to servers at all. Many (but not all) of which are related.

Here's what I can say:

- The hardware that WP runs on is in no way wimpy, or old. That's about as specific as I can be on that matter

- The codebase that runs this site is very old, and has been customized over time to make the software do things it was never designed to do. That's about as specific as I can be on that matter.

- There are several independent services that run to make up the whole of WP, each one has failure points and has different issues associated with it.

- The traffic level that WP gets isn't that staggering, but inefficiencies in how the software works amplifies the amount of work the server must do to deliver a page to a user, effectively increasing the load level on the server by an order of magnitude.

- Switching the software running the site isn't as easy as it appears, and Alex has had a hard time making progress with that, but he is working on it. That part of the equation is completely outside the scope of service that my company provides, so that all rests on Alex to figure out.


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06 Jun 2012, 10:37 pm

sliqua-jcooter wrote:
jackbus01 wrote:
So, what is the problem? Does WP have too much traffic on its forums for the bandwidth allotted by the servers? Posting and refresh is very slow sometimes. Is that the "server problem", basically lack of resources or are there secondary issues?

I am hoping any day now someone would post a rambling discussion on what the "server problems" are? :)
I wonder if sliqua-jcooter knows?


I can't talk about specifics publicly, but there are several "server problems". Some of which aren't related to servers at all. Many (but not all) of which are related.

Here's what I can say:

- The hardware that WP runs on is in no way wimpy, or old. That's about as specific as I can be on that matter

- The codebase that runs this site is very old, and has been customized over time to make the software do things it was never designed to do. That's about as specific as I can be on that matter.

- There are several independent services that run to make up the whole of WP, each one has failure points and has different issues associated with it.

- The traffic level that WP gets isn't that staggering, but inefficiencies in how the software works amplifies the amount of work the server must do to deliver a page to a user, effectively increasing the load level on the server by an order of magnitude.

- Switching the software running the site isn't as easy as it appears, and Alex has had a hard time making progress with that, but he is working on it. That part of the equation is completely outside the scope of service that my company provides, so that all rests on Alex to figure out.


In short - It's not a hardware issue.


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07 Jun 2012, 2:46 am

sliqua-jcooter wrote:
jackbus01 wrote:
So, what is the problem? Does WP have too much traffic on its forums for the bandwidth allotted by the servers? Posting and refresh is very slow sometimes. Is that the "server problem", basically lack of resources or are there secondary issues?

I am hoping any day now someone would post a rambling discussion on what the "server problems" are? :)
I wonder if sliqua-jcooter knows?


I can't talk about specifics publicly, but there are several "server problems". Some of which aren't related to servers at all. Many (but not all) of which are related.

Here's what I can say:

- The hardware that WP runs on is in no way wimpy, or old. That's about as specific as I can be on that matter

- The codebase that runs this site is very old, and has been customized over time to make the software do things it was never designed to do. That's about as specific as I can be on that matter.

- There are several independent services that run to make up the whole of WP, each one has failure points and has different issues associated with it.

- The traffic level that WP gets isn't that staggering, but inefficiencies in how the software works amplifies the amount of work the server must do to deliver a page to a user, effectively increasing the load level on the server by an order of magnitude.

- Switching the software running the site isn't as easy as it appears, and Alex has had a hard time making progress with that, but he is working on it. That part of the equation is completely outside the scope of service that my company provides, so that all rests on Alex to figure out.


Maybe the easiest thing to do would be to "freeze" (make read-only) the current WP but still make it accessible and start a new forum using off-the-shelf forum software. Some people would probably complain if they had to redo their profile, but it would be the cleanest way to do it.
The topics here are often repeated over and over again, so a clean redo would not be that disruptive.

Anyways that is my suggestion to Alex. I understand why you can't officially be more specific.



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07 Jun 2012, 3:14 am

sliqua-jcooter wrote:
- Switching the software running the site isn't as easy as it appears, and Alex has had a hard time making progress with that, but he is working on it. That part of the equation is completely outside the scope of service that my company provides, so that all rests on Alex to figure out.

Should totally make it open source and allow WP members to work on it.



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07 Jun 2012, 4:41 am

Cloudflare is just a sh***y ass server.



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07 Jun 2012, 5:57 pm

Pandora_Box wrote:
Cloudflare is just a sh***y ass server.


Cloudflare isn't a server.


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07 Jun 2012, 6:00 pm

jackbus01 wrote:
Maybe the easiest thing to do would be to "freeze" (make read-only) the current WP but still make it accessible and start a new forum using off-the-shelf forum software. Some people would probably complain if they had to redo their profile, but it would be the cleanest way to do it.
The topics here are often repeated over and over again, so a clean redo would not be that disruptive.

Anyways that is my suggestion to Alex. I understand why you can't officially be more specific.


I don't necessarily disagree with that. If it were up to me - the solution would look very-much like that.


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07 Jun 2012, 6:42 pm

sliqua-jcooter wrote:
Pandora_Box wrote:
Cloudflare is just a sh***y ass server.


Cloudflare isn't a server.


Hosting service, excuse me. It's still sh***y.



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07 Jun 2012, 6:44 pm

Pandora_Box wrote:
sliqua-jcooter wrote:
Pandora_Box wrote:
Cloudflare is just a sh***y ass server.
Cloudflare isn't a server.
Hosting service, excuse me. It's still sh***y.
Want to try for third time lucky?


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07 Jun 2012, 6:49 pm

i have not had go down for 48 hours it looks like the server is now working just as alex logs in
(he should get someone to look after running of the server)



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07 Jun 2012, 6:52 pm

^^ Do keep up :wink: http://www.sliqua.com/


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