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30 Sep 2019, 8:26 am

Had to look that up. Just knew it had to do with feet...

I don't think the rules forbid discussing conspiracy theories as long as they're not racist or harmful in any other way towards individuals or groups. We don't want to have a "police state" mentality here. In fact it's the last thing we need.

I'm all for open discussion within the framework of the rules as laid down by Alex.


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30 Sep 2019, 8:32 am

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I would rather have a dozen pinnapeds running this show than even one self-righteous, America-bashing bigot.
If your refering to JohnPowell,I don't believe he is a america bashing bigot.Nor do I believe he is a anti semite,he just does not like the state of Israel politicaly.This does not mean he hates Israeli citizens,he just disagrees with there goverment.If someone said they did not like the Italian goverment does that mean they hate all catholics.
There is a difference between not liking a counties goverment and hating its citizens.

John Powell is not a racist or an anti semite or anti american people.


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30 Sep 2019, 8:50 am

I think it's very important that conspiracy theories are allowed to be discussed, including the one that Israel is behind 9/11. We need free discussion.


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30 Sep 2019, 8:56 am

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I think it's very important that conspiracy theories are allowed to be discussed, including the one that Israel is behind 9/11. We need free discussion.
That topic has been discussed to death on countless websites.

May as well discuss Mrs. Lincoln's involvement in her own husband's assassination.



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30 Sep 2019, 9:02 am

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I would rather have a dozen pinnapeds running this show than even one self-righteous, America-bashing bigot.


That's funny because some I've seen arguing the other side of things, trash Americans and make bigoted comments all the time. And most prevalenty calling most everyone not of their political view a racist.



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30 Sep 2019, 9:04 am

Fnord wrote:
smudge wrote:
I think it's very important that conspiracy theories are allowed to be discussed, including the one that Israel is behind 9/11. We need free discussion.
That topic has been discussed to death on countless websites.

May as well discuss Mrs. Lincoln's involvement in her own husband's assassination.


There's many topics that have been discussed to death here. It doesn't mean they need to be banned.


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30 Sep 2019, 9:30 am

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Nope. It's merely a a correct or incorrect statement about the actions of a government. It is not an anti-semitic statement. Again, this is why you shouldn't be a mod here. I've made all kinds of statements about the actions of the American government, but, right or wrong, does not make me "anti-American."

You're smarter than this. Please don't be afraid to admit you made a bad decision.

Correct, I am. That's precisely why I am a moderator. I know a lot about things and am prepared to research them when I don't, I am capable of considering the implications of words beyond their surface meanings, I stay objective when making decisions, and I show an appreciation for context and nuance.

Why, of all the countries in the world, single out the one Jewish-majority country? That is antisemitism. Don't believe me? Ask the Anti-Defamation League (https://www.adl.org/blog/anti-semitic-9 ... er-attacks) or consult the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's working definition of antisemitism. Pay particular attention to "Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis."

In this regard there are clear differences between Israel and America - it's more like if someone said all Muslim countries are savage, or all African countries are "s**tholes", or saying that the German government are Nazis. If you take a stereotype about a group ("Jews are plotting against us") and then quietly decide to just apply it to the nation(s) associated with that group ("Israel is plotting against us") then you're still being racist. You can, of course, offer legitimate criticism of the Israeli government, but "Israel did 9/11" is not "legitimate criticism", it is the classic antisemitic trope of blaming Jews for bad things.

I have evidenced comprehensively and robustly, that John's warnings do not constitute "targeting", are not "unfair", and are not the result of a vendetta by an individual moderator. His complaints are demonstrably groundless. I believe that is clear to any objective observer. If the other mods wish to disagree with any of my decisions then we can reconsider them. However, I would be surprised if any of the decisions proved remotely controversial. They are some of the most clear-cut decisions I have had to make.

The discussion about antisemitism is over. Anyone who repeats the conspiracy theory that Israel is behind 9/11 will be breaking WrongPlanet rules, and that is not up for public discussion.



Thank you for this.
When John Powell casually stated that "Israelis were dancing on the rooftops" after 9/11 it was an acutely painful untruth and nothing could be further from reality, in fact many Israelis were working in the World Trade Center at the time, and the entire country of.Israel was overcome with compassion and concern for all involved. There was a state of mourning in my country. Antisemitism masks itself carefully behind meticulously selected rhetoric, but nobody is actually fooled.

WP should be a safe environment for all of us who are concerned with autism related issues and the emphasis should be primarily placed on promoting well being for all concerned. There are so many other platforms from which to spew hatred, political discord and intolerance.

I don't want to be afraid to post here, bond with you and learn from you all as a result of my ethnicity and country of origin . There are members here from countries which are currently at war with mine, and we get along just fine. Political conflicts should not be aired here in my opinion, they deflect from the ultimate mission of helping people on the spectrum and their loved ones find solutions and thrive above persecution, blockades of pre-conception and stigma. The mods are only human, and do a thankless job, but they are the reason I chose to stay because of their vigilance in maintaining a safe environment for all of us. If anyone had to leave WP for feeling unwelcome for political or racial reasons, then that would be a tragedy and would defeat the whole purpose of the concept .


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30 Sep 2019, 9:41 am

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... When John Powell casually stated that "Israelis were dancing on the rooftops" after 9/11 it was an acutely painful untruth and nothing could be further from reality ... Antisemitism masks itself carefully behind meticulously selected rhetoric, but nobody is actually fooled.
The subject is brought up by bigots and haters again and again to keep those lies in circulation. Never mind that many reasonable people can see right through them, as long as racist rhetoric is being discussed, those who hate America and/or Israel (exposed and obviated by the lies the haters tell) will keep finding new converts to their way of thinking.

Banning them and deleting their propagandist threads may be the only answer.[/color]



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30 Sep 2019, 9:42 am

I think it's essential to have varied topics here on this site in order for it to survive. If the topics were just reduced to spectrum only discussions, I would leave and never come back. I've gone through all the beginning topics and questions related to the spectrum; many, many years ago. I think there are like-minded people here to me.


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30 Sep 2019, 9:45 am

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I think it's essential to have varied topics here on this site in order for it to survive. If the topics were just reduced to spectrum only discussions, I would leave and never come back. I've gone through all the beginning topics and questions related to the spectrum; many, many years ago. I think there are like-minded people here to me.


There is plenty to discuss without bashing each others countries.


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30 Sep 2019, 9:47 am

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I think it's essential to have varied topics here on this site in order for it to survive...
... but if all you want to discuss is one of many insignificant conspiracy theories, then what's the point of having "varied topics"?

For that matter, when was the last time you started a thread on a unique topic?



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30 Sep 2019, 9:54 am

Fnord wrote:
Teach51 wrote:
... When John Powell casually stated that "Israelis were dancing on the rooftops" after 9/11 it was an acutely painful untruth and nothing could be further from reality ... Antisemitism masks itself carefully behind meticulously selected rhetoric, but nobody is actually fooled.
The subject is brought up by bigots and haters again and again to keep those lies in circulation. Never mind that many reasonable people can see right through them, as long as racist rhetoric is being discussed, those who hate America and/or Israel (exposed and obviated by the lies the haters tell) will keep finding new converts to their way of thinking.

Banning them and deleting their propagandist threads may be the only answer.[/color]


Thank goodness you're not a moderator.



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30 Sep 2019, 9:57 am

smudge wrote:
I think it's essential to have varied topics here on this site in order for it to survive. If the topics were just reduced to spectrum only discussions, I would leave and never come back. I've gone through all the beginning topics and questions related to the spectrum; many, many years ago. I think there are like-minded people here to me.


What some want regarding political discourse here is an echo chamber.



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30 Sep 2019, 10:04 am

Teach51 wrote:
smudge wrote:
I think it's essential to have varied topics here on this site in order for it to survive. If the topics were just reduced to spectrum only discussions, I would leave and never come back. I've gone through all the beginning topics and questions related to the spectrum; many, many years ago. I think there are like-minded people here to me.


There is plenty to discuss without bashing each others countries.


I assumed you meant mainly spectrum related discussions.

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I think it's essential to have varied topics here on this site in order for it to survive...
... but if all you want to discuss is one of many insignificant conspiracy theories, then what's the point of having "varied topics"?

For that matter, when was the last time you started a thread on a unique topic?


*Shrug* I guess this one was fairly unique, although envirozentinel came up with the idea, it answers the question that I started a unique thread on it. :P viewtopic.php?t=380151

Also, there's the VIP Appreciation Thread.


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30 Sep 2019, 10:05 am

EzraS wrote:
smudge wrote:
I think it's essential to have varied topics here on this site in order for it to survive. If the topics were just reduced to spectrum only discussions, I would leave and never come back. I've gone through all the beginning topics and questions related to the spectrum; many, many years ago. I think there are like-minded people here to me.


What some want regarding political discourse here is an echo chamber.


I agree, with Love & Dating too.


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30 Sep 2019, 10:18 am

No Smudge, not only autistic related issues at all. I mean just not getting into prejudiced political free for alls when this site is globally diverse.


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