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GustavHolst
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05 May 2009, 1:19 am

Why can't a member delete their account? And why do the mods not delete an account if someone asked them to?

Does it have anything to do with keeping the total members number high? I know there is not 26,344 members that currently use this site.

I was just wondering



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07 Jun 2009, 10:05 pm

sinsboldly wrote:
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hello merle, long time no chat, last i seen you was on cockneyrebel's post about puffed stomachs (when i had mentioned about old door closers) nice to interact with you again.

account and post deletion can also screw up the threads (conversation) and make it confusing to people reading it.


I'm just here to check a message I been waiting for and see if I can finally close my profile. Not exactly on both counts its relatively simple in most forum software to have it where old posts by a deleted account would simply show an x for an avatar and deleted under status and would not cause an adverse effect to conversations or the forums. I haven't actually used phbb I usually use simple machines though I have experience with other forum software.

The only reason I can see for not allowing members to delete their own accounts would be to inflate member numbers. In any case both options are very simple and do not disrupt most forum software or database entries if it does then they need to change to a more suitable set of forum software.

Currently member count is 26,184 and I believe at least 24,000 at least are inactive accounts. Honestly if they did a clear and allowed members to delete their own account the statistics would be correct and I wouldn't have to keep checking as to when I can officially close it.


You can stop checking. We don't close accounts. You could change all the threads to which you subscribe to not watching this thread, delete everything in your profile and change your password to gibberish then log out. It would effectively do the same thing.


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Not quite ... it would actually just leave my record in there and be just leaving the profile which seems to be what you want. Effectively one allows actual alteration of records and one is just a silly attempt at acting like it does anything. I don't see the problem in adding a delete button to profiles and if your giving me silly advice that makes no logical sense then well that pretty much means there is an issue where you want these accounts open. If I delete the account the name would be available, I wouldn't be associated with this site in anyway, and your member counts would be correct (probably what you want to avoid anyway).


no, I am saying that deleting your account was never part of the WrongPlanet deal. When you made an account we clearly state:
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By posting to the forums, or any other sections of this site, you signify agreement that you are giving WrongPlanet permission to use, modify, and reproduce your submission, in part or in whole, in any way, shape, form, or method in which we decide to do so, at any point in the present or future at our discretion.


you clicked on 'yes' for this when you registered. Now you want WP to change the deal and cast aspersions about why we are inconveniencing you in your quest for being a special exception.

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yes but I am not saying for you to remove my posts so my submissions is not an issue I'm asking to be able to delete my account. Which if you had knowledge of that agreement doesn't cover that. Essentially your ploy of having a high number count ain't working as all these features are standards of forum software. Which is inconceivable that they wouldn't be here so its obviously intentional. Now if you want a high member count due to getting ads I understand but it is quite the same as saying you have a higher quarterly profit then you do. You can keep my posts all you want but my account is not a submission it is a registration which is not convered in the part of the TOS agreement you showed in this post.

As for what I expect I expect to be treated fairly and with respect as I treat other people and quite frankly I wasn't shown that and I feel that if that is the way it will be operated here then I do not want any association with it. For that reason, I want my association in the form of my user account removed because obviously wrongplanet isn't for me and quite frankly that means that I don't want my name linked to such an area. Now I know this is just falling on deaf ears because primarily the only reason why you continue this is because you want to compensate for your difficulties in life and thats fine but in the end I made a simple request and I want it granted now if you can show me a part of TOS that says something related to accounts then I'll take it as some form of answer.



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08 Jun 2009, 8:50 am

Abangyarudo, you are being treated with respect and fairly - the site policy is that accounts are not deleted, and that stands for everyone. You are complaining because you are not being given what you want; while I can appreciate the disappointment, it does not change the situation. You can lock yourself out of the account by changing the password to something unknown, but even then the posts you have made will remain on the site. When you created your account, no provision was made for deletion, no trial offer made. If you choose to leave now, that is completely your right to do so, but it is not subject to your whims or demands upon others.


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11 Jun 2009, 5:37 pm

lau wrote:
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sinsboldly wrote:
change your password to gibberish then log out. It would effectively do the same thing.

I always wonder when I see this advice (I've seen it before). To change your password you have to type two matching passwords. So you can't switch your password to something random that you don't know.

  1. Type gibberish into a text editor, with the text area moved off screen, say, so you don't even see what you are typing.
  2. Highlight it (with Ctrl/A, say)
  3. If in a duff OS, type CTRL/C
  4. Erase gibberish (with Backspace, say)
  5. Move to first password box
  6. Paste
  7. Move to second password box
  8. Paste

Yep, I have done that before, and I thought I was being original :P


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19 Jun 2009, 2:02 am

makuranososhi wrote:
Abangyarudo, you are being treated with respect and fairly - the site policy is that accounts are not deleted, and that stands for everyone. You are complaining because you are not being given what you want; while I can appreciate the disappointment, it does not change the situation. You can lock yourself out of the account by changing the password to something unknown, but even then the posts you have made will remain on the site. When you created your account, no provision was made for deletion, no trial offer made. If you choose to leave now, that is completely your right to do so, but it is not subject to your whims or demands upon others.


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No, I agree with that other guy, you guys are most definitely being [epithet removed by lau] about this, no question about it. I didn't read that little thing about how we will never be able to delete our accounts, and yeah, that was me being lazy and irresponsible. I should have totally thought about that before, my bad, no doubt about it. But seriously, you should really let us delete our accounts, or at least change our usernames. I desperately want to do this, I could do it anywhere else, but after months of trying it seems I am having no luck even deleting a post.
Seriously, let us delete our accounts. Doing all that other [epithet removed by lau] is not the same as deleting and you know it, it all comes up on google. If it was the same as deleting, you would just let us delete.



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19 Jun 2009, 7:05 am

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No, I agree with that other guy, you guys are most definitely being [epithet removed by lau] about this, no question about it.
You may agree with whomever you like.
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I didn't read that little thing about how we will never be able to delete our accounts, and yeah, that was me being lazy and irresponsible. I should have totally thought about that before, my bad, no doubt about it.
Yes. You have not read the rules or the terms of service, at all, but are still continuing to post.
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But seriously, you should really let us delete our accounts, or at least change our usernames.
But seriously, why should we change the site to suit the rules that you feel would be nicer for you?
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I desperately want to do this, I could do it anywhere else, but after months of trying it seems I am having no luck even deleting a post.
Correct. Posts can only be edited or deleted for a period of seven days. This allows people to amend things, in the short term, but not to confuse threads well after they have moved on.
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Seriously, let us delete our accounts. Doing all that other [epithet removed by lau] is not the same as deleting and you know it, it all comes up on google.
Seriously, no. And you are correct, we do not delete accounts, and what you search for on Google, comes up on Google.
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If it was the same as deleting, you would just let us delete.
Yes. If it was, we would.


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19 Jun 2009, 6:34 pm

lau wrote:
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I didn't read that little thing about how we will never be able to delete our accounts, and yeah, that was me being lazy and irresponsible. I should have totally thought about that before, my bad, no doubt about it.
Yes. You have not read the rules or the terms of service, at all, but are still continuing to post.
I did not read that little thing about how we will never be able to delete our account either. Could you show me where it is? I am not saying I want to leave at the moment or anything. :wink: ...and I understand I am only allowed to have one account, so if mine were deleted I would be unable to return.



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20 Jun 2009, 4:54 pm

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I didn't read that little thing about how we will never be able to delete our accounts, and yeah, that was me being lazy and irresponsible. I should have totally thought about that before, my bad, no doubt about it.
Yes. You have not read the rules or the terms of service, at all, but are still continuing to post.
I did not read that little thing about how we will never be able to delete our account either. Could you show me where it is? I am not saying I want to leave at the moment or anything. :wink: ...and I understand I am only allowed to have one account, so if mine were deleted I would be unable to return.

I apologise. I was guilty of using sarcasm. There is no "little thing about how we will never be able to delete our accounts". There is utterly no mention of deleting accounts.

I was indicating that monotonesarah could never have read the rules or ToS if she thought that there was any provision concerning account deletion, since there is no such thing.


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20 Jun 2009, 6:06 pm

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I apologise. I was guilty of using sarcasm.
Oh. ok. I really thought it might just be me. I can be really unobservant sometimes. This topic is something that also bothered me after I first joined, especially after I read a member complain someone had somehow posted as them, but I guess I have since gotten over it. I figure if worse ever comes to worse, I would simply request a ban to ensure my account is sufficiently locked out.



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21 Jun 2009, 7:36 pm

lau wrote:
monotonesarah wrote:
No, I agree with that other guy, you guys are most definitely being [epithet removed by lau] about this, no question about it.
You may agree with whomever you like.
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I didn't read that little thing about how we will never be able to delete our accounts, and yeah, that was me being lazy and irresponsible. I should have totally thought about that before, my bad, no doubt about it.
Yes. You have not read the rules or the terms of service, at all, but are still continuing to post.
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But seriously, you should really let us delete our accounts, or at least change our usernames.
But seriously, why should we change the site to suit the rules that you feel would be nicer for you?
monotonesarah wrote:
I desperately want to do this, I could do it anywhere else, but after months of trying it seems I am having no luck even deleting a post.
Correct. Posts can only be edited or deleted for a period of seven days. This allows people to amend things, in the short term, but not to confuse threads well after they have moved on.
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Seriously, let us delete our accounts. Doing all that other [epithet removed by lau] is not the same as deleting and you know it, it all comes up on google.
Seriously, no. And you are correct, we do not delete accounts, and what you search for on Google, comes up on Google.
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If it was the same as deleting, you would just let us delete.
Yes. If it was, we would.


I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything here, I'm just being honest with you, this policy is very annoying and actually has been pretty hard on me. If I can't change my name and I can't delete my account or posts past 7 days, then there is really nothing I can do, right? As it turns out, people can figure out who I am in real life from this based off of an old email address, and I found out that I lost a job interview because a potential employer found me on here. It would not have happened if I could just change my name. That really makes me feel helpless and sad because there is really nothing I can do about it at this point. I did try to contact someone, I even emailed Alex, but nothing really came of it. You know, all I can really do is just wait it out and delete everything else off the internet, like old email addresses and myspace accounts. But it still just sucks for me, I lost a potential job because of this and the economy is so bad right now, so you know, I want to at least warn others so they don't get stuck with this like I am, that's the only other thing I can do.

"But seriously, why should we change the site to suit the rules that you feel would be nicer for you?"

Well, that'd be pretty great for me for starters, but maybe you should ask everyone else if they would like the option? At least some way of changing their name? Maybe take a poll or something? And if not put a much, much clearer warning of the policy when people sign up? I know, you've pointed out that I clearly didn't read the rules correctly in another post, but dude, this is a site for people with communication problems, right? So you gotta make sure stuff like this is clear. If you don't see how that is important that is a very big issue. And yeah, to answer your question, if it would make things nicer for me and others (I know I'm not the only one) then you guys should do it. If something is going to make the lives of the members of this site better then it is a really good idea to at least consider it.

"Yes. You have not read the rules or the terms of service, at all, but are still continuing to post."

I've read them. I forgot a lot of them, I'm not gonna lie to you. Why would I stop posting?



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21 Jun 2009, 7:49 pm

I don't see what the big deal is, if you don't want your personal information on the internet, do not post information into said internet. I'm sure if you had posted some personal information that could be used to trace back to you, one of the admins would block out said information for you. I haven't seen anyone post any personal information as of yet though.



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21 Jun 2009, 7:49 pm

could you PM me or tell me here what moderator you contacted to have an email address you posted on WrongPlanet.net deleted and they did not delete it?

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21 Jun 2009, 8:11 pm

Michjo wrote:
I don't see what the big deal is, if you don't want your personal information on the internet, do not post information into said internet. I'm sure if you had posted some personal information that could be used to trace back to you, one of the admins would block out said information for you. I haven't seen anyone post any personal information as of yet though.


That's because the mod team does delete sensitive identifying personal information when someone asks. It is a sensible precaution and I can't recall a time that was not done when we are notified.

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22 Jun 2009, 7:21 am

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... I lost a job interview because a potential employer found me on here. ...

I have no idea what this means. Nothing on here identifies you. Your email is not public and neither are any other details. Your location you are presumably not giving correctly. Whether your name happens to be "Sarah" or not is a moot point. So you may be a person called "Sarah" somewhere in the world. What part of that information do you want removed?

We certainly cannot control any information that you may have published publicly elsewhere, or which you have put on view here in the past, and is now archived elsewhere.


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