25 Aug 2020, 2:45 pm
alex wrote:
AuroraBorealisGazer wrote:
I'm done being diplomatic.
Alex, all of our attempts to reason with you have failed. There was I time I would have thanked you for creating the place where I met my husband, and found acceptance among people who share my struggles.
In the last few days you've made many deeply troubling comments that, among other things, promote ableism. I don't know where everyone else stands, but I personally don't feel comfortable with you speaking on our behalf as an ASD advocate.
You've lost the plot.
Furthermore, you harm the anti-racism and BLM movement by making sweeping generalizations, that will inevitably push people away from the ultimate goal.
Give admin powers to the mod team and let those who are better at this stuff address the community.
Alex, all of our attempts to reason with you have failed. There was I time I would have thanked you for creating the place where I met my husband, and found acceptance among people who share my struggles.
In the last few days you've made many deeply troubling comments that, among other things, promote ableism. I don't know where everyone else stands, but I personally don't feel comfortable with you speaking on our behalf as an ASD advocate.
You've lost the plot.
Furthermore, you harm the anti-racism and BLM movement by making sweeping generalizations, that will inevitably push people away from the ultimate goal.
Give admin powers to the mod team and let those who are better at this stuff address the community.
With all due respect, just a page earlier in this thread you posted the hail emoji (
) in response to a comment that contains some blatantly ableist comments directed at me me so it makes me wonder.While I understand that people may have issues with being called racist if it's unfounded, I think we can deal with figuring out how to prevent that from happening in a constructive manner.
I think the issue is the definition of the word racist has changed from meaning just a hateful person who genuinely believes that people of another race are inferior to meaning someone who says something or does something that is problematic to another race. For instance, a lot of people would say it's racist to use certain expressions that are unique to black culture even though obviously it's likely not coming from a bad place. Even saying "yas queen" as a white person would be viewed as racist by a number of black people.
Clearly the membership here is not as up-to-date with that shift in understanding as I thought and I do apologize for not realizing that I'm probably in a bubble working in the entertainment industry and living in a progressive coastal city. I think that would be a valid point to make regarding the new guidelines. It appears a lot of people still see the term racist in the older more specific tone. So that's a discussion we should have about it.
Oh for cripe's sake dude. Using my repost of someone else's comment (that I took as a reaction of pure frustration where the attacking words against you were in jest to get you to see how ridiculous this has become) to deflect your own ableist ideals is beyond the pale. For the record, I was praising Ferris for speaking frankly, but that's really not the point.
This is why I'm fed up. We try to express ourselves to you and you decide to focus on side stuff and ignore the main issues.
Regarding your comments on the definition of racism: The issue is actually that you can not prove someone's feelings towards other races, you have to go off evidence.
Please stop adding to the long list of things you believe are considered universally and unequivocally racist. It's becoming overwhelming. I would prefer to here these things from leaders of the civil rights or BLM movement, so that I know it's not just something privileged people have decided.
25 Aug 2020, 3:08 pm
AuroraBorealisGazer wrote:
alex wrote:
AuroraBorealisGazer wrote:
I'm done being diplomatic.
Alex, all of our attempts to reason with you have failed. There was I time I would have thanked you for creating the place where I met my husband, and found acceptance among people who share my struggles.
In the last few days you've made many deeply troubling comments that, among other things, promote ableism. I don't know where everyone else stands, but I personally don't feel comfortable with you speaking on our behalf as an ASD advocate.
You've lost the plot.
Furthermore, you harm the anti-racism and BLM movement by making sweeping generalizations, that will inevitably push people away from the ultimate goal.
Give admin powers to the mod team and let those who are better at this stuff address the community.
Alex, all of our attempts to reason with you have failed. There was I time I would have thanked you for creating the place where I met my husband, and found acceptance among people who share my struggles.
In the last few days you've made many deeply troubling comments that, among other things, promote ableism. I don't know where everyone else stands, but I personally don't feel comfortable with you speaking on our behalf as an ASD advocate.
You've lost the plot.
Furthermore, you harm the anti-racism and BLM movement by making sweeping generalizations, that will inevitably push people away from the ultimate goal.
Give admin powers to the mod team and let those who are better at this stuff address the community.
With all due respect, just a page earlier in this thread you posted the hail emoji (
) in response to a comment that contains some blatantly ableist comments directed at me me so it makes me wonder.While I understand that people may have issues with being called racist if it's unfounded, I think we can deal with figuring out how to prevent that from happening in a constructive manner.
I think the issue is the definition of the word racist has changed from meaning just a hateful person who genuinely believes that people of another race are inferior to meaning someone who says something or does something that is problematic to another race. For instance, a lot of people would say it's racist to use certain expressions that are unique to black culture even though obviously it's likely not coming from a bad place. Even saying "yas queen" as a white person would be viewed as racist by a number of black people.
Clearly the membership here is not as up-to-date with that shift in understanding as I thought and I do apologize for not realizing that I'm probably in a bubble working in the entertainment industry and living in a progressive coastal city. I think that would be a valid point to make regarding the new guidelines. It appears a lot of people still see the term racist in the older more specific tone. So that's a discussion we should have about it.
Oh for cripe's sake dude. Using my repost of someone else's comment (that I took as a reaction of pure frustration where the attacking words against you were in jest to get you to see how ridiculous this has become) to deflect your own ableist ideals is beyond the pale. For the record, I was praising Ferris for speaking frankly, but that's really not the point.
This is why I'm fed up. We try to express ourselves to you and you decide to focus on side stuff and ignore the main issues.
Regarding your comments on the definition of racism: The issue is actually that you can not prove someone's feelings towards other races, you have to go off evidence.
Please stop adding to the long list of things you believe are considered universally and unequivocally racist. It's becoming overwhelming. I would prefer to here these things from leaders of the civil rights or BLM movement, so that I know it's not just something privileged people have decided.
The issue is that racism is no longer viewed by everyone from the lens of intent. I think that distinction is where the disagreement comes from.
I honestly believe you're coming from a much more ableist position, implying that autistic people are unable to understand the nuance involved in conversations of race and need to be coddled from what is perceived as a personal attack but may not actually be one at all. Some of us may have more difficulty at first but all of these ideas and concepts are certainly accessible to those on the spectrum. And for those black autistics, racism, even the less obvious kind, is a lived experience they're well aware of.
25 Aug 2020, 3:32 pm
alex wrote:
I honestly believe you're coming from a much more ableist position, implying that autistic people are unable to understand the nuance involved in conversations of race and need to be coddled from what is perceived as a personal attack but may not actually be one at all.
It is not ablesit to suggest that some people on the spectrum will never get the finer nuance involved in any conversation let alone race.
This seems to be some sort of elitist attitude that the less articulate are just open targets to the more articulate members.
f**k em , they are too thick to understand , lets just call them racists
And if it is deemed coddling to object to someone being called a racist , there are a lot of coddlers on this forum.
Last edited by Oh_no_its_Ferris on 25 Aug 2020, 3:59 pm, edited 1 time in total.
25 Aug 2020, 3:37 pm
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25 Aug 2020, 3:52 pm
ASPartOfMe
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25 Aug 2020, 3:55 pm
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25 Aug 2020, 4:28 pm
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25 Aug 2020, 4:58 pm
League_Girl wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
magz wrote:
It's not about banning the word, it's about treating "you're racist" as a personal accusation just like all other kinds of "you're a bad person".
Soon we'll all be calling each other racist based on our own lexicography.
You want to raise taxes on POC (people of color) and give it to a white racist system <--- You're a racist![/quote]
That exactly would be racist.
Out of touch, ok boomer I would agree that wanting to raise taxes only on POC is racist opinion because it is an explicitly discriminatory thought.
At least we both agree on something here.
If we get the green light, I will make the argument that all taxes are racist , because they take money away from POC (people of color) and give them to a system labeled as *white systemic racism*.
My economic liberal foes will collapse in the face of being called dirty word like RACIST.
25 Aug 2020, 5:01 pm
TheRobotLives wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
magz wrote:
It's not about banning the word, it's about treating "you're racist" as a personal accusation just like all other kinds of "you're a bad person".
Soon we'll all be calling each other racist based on our own lexicography.
You want to raise taxes on POC (people of color) and give it to a white racist system <--- You're a racist![/quote]
That exactly would be racist.
Out of touch, ok boomer I would agree that wanting to raise taxes only on POC is racist opinion because it is an explicitly discriminatory thought.
At least we both agree on something here.
If we get the green light, I will make the argument that all taxes are racist , because they take money away from POC (people of color) and give them to a system labeled as *white systemic racism*.
My economic liberal foes will collapse in the face of being called dirty word like RACIST.
So you are finally admitting that systemic racism does indeed exist.
25 Aug 2020, 5:12 pm
League_Girl wrote:
So you are finally admitting that systemic racism does indeed exist.
i am seeing the light
25 Aug 2020, 5:23 pm
On another note about your new rules Alex , are they retrospective as I believe one member has been permabanned for calling another member racist ?
If they are not retrospective you need to ban yourself 
Last edited by Oh_no_its_Ferris on 25 Aug 2020, 5:46 pm, edited 1 time in total.
25 Aug 2020, 5:28 pm
alex wrote:
AuroraBorealisGazer wrote:
alex wrote:
AuroraBorealisGazer wrote:
I'm done being diplomatic.
Alex, all of our attempts to reason with you have failed. There was I time I would have thanked you for creating the place where I met my husband, and found acceptance among people who share my struggles.
In the last few days you've made many deeply troubling comments that, among other things, promote ableism. I don't know where everyone else stands, but I personally don't feel comfortable with you speaking on our behalf as an ASD advocate.
You've lost the plot.
Furthermore, you harm the anti-racism and BLM movement by making sweeping generalizations, that will inevitably push people away from the ultimate goal.
Give admin powers to the mod team and let those who are better at this stuff address the community.
Alex, all of our attempts to reason with you have failed. There was I time I would have thanked you for creating the place where I met my husband, and found acceptance among people who share my struggles.
In the last few days you've made many deeply troubling comments that, among other things, promote ableism. I don't know where everyone else stands, but I personally don't feel comfortable with you speaking on our behalf as an ASD advocate.
You've lost the plot.
Furthermore, you harm the anti-racism and BLM movement by making sweeping generalizations, that will inevitably push people away from the ultimate goal.
Give admin powers to the mod team and let those who are better at this stuff address the community.
With all due respect, just a page earlier in this thread you posted the hail emoji (
) in response to a comment that contains some blatantly ableist comments directed at me me so it makes me wonder.While I understand that people may have issues with being called racist if it's unfounded, I think we can deal with figuring out how to prevent that from happening in a constructive manner.
I think the issue is the definition of the word racist has changed from meaning just a hateful person who genuinely believes that people of another race are inferior to meaning someone who says something or does something that is problematic to another race. For instance, a lot of people would say it's racist to use certain expressions that are unique to black culture even though obviously it's likely not coming from a bad place. Even saying "yas queen" as a white person would be viewed as racist by a number of black people.
Clearly the membership here is not as up-to-date with that shift in understanding as I thought and I do apologize for not realizing that I'm probably in a bubble working in the entertainment industry and living in a progressive coastal city. I think that would be a valid point to make regarding the new guidelines. It appears a lot of people still see the term racist in the older more specific tone. So that's a discussion we should have about it.
Oh for cripe's sake dude. Using my repost of someone else's comment (that I took as a reaction of pure frustration where the attacking words against you were in jest to get you to see how ridiculous this has become) to deflect your own ableist ideals is beyond the pale. For the record, I was praising Ferris for speaking frankly, but that's really not the point.
This is why I'm fed up. We try to express ourselves to you and you decide to focus on side stuff and ignore the main issues.
Regarding your comments on the definition of racism: The issue is actually that you can not prove someone's feelings towards other races, you have to go off evidence.
Please stop adding to the long list of things you believe are considered universally and unequivocally racist. It's becoming overwhelming. I would prefer to here these things from leaders of the civil rights or BLM movement, so that I know it's not just something privileged people have decided.
The issue is that racism is no longer viewed by everyone from the lens of intent. I think that distinction is where the disagreement comes from.
I honestly believe you're coming from a much more ableist position, implying that autistic people are unable to understand the nuance involved in conversations of race and need to be coddled from what is perceived as a personal attack but may not actually be one at all. Some of us may have more difficulty at first but all of these ideas and concepts are certainly accessible to those on the spectrum. And for those black autistics, racism, even the less obvious kind, is a lived experience they're well aware of.
Please refrain from putting those words in my mouth. I specifically cited my own experiences with nuance and using the wrong words as evidence that SOME of us continue to struggle with these things. I also noted that other people had been saying they also struggle with this. Do not attempt to twist this into ableism when it clearly isn't. Accept that your expectations that everyone here know every little double entendre or cultural nuance, particularly ones that are unique to your own microcosm, is unreasonable. And when we do get it wrong, you have demonstrated that it's okay to brand us as a racist without every taking the time to find out what we thought we were communicating, much I less trying to calmly explain why it was wrong. That's the part that is ableism. And I don't throw that word around lightly.
Let me be very clear because you still seem to be under the impression that I'm okay with racism. I will not tolerate racism here or anywhere else, but I'm also not going to accuse someone of being a racist without bothering to have a conversation with them about their offensive words or actions, and I will always try to explain to them why it's hurtful to others. But simply declaring someone a racist helps no one.
Would you like a resolution here it are you enjoying arguing with all of us?
25 Aug 2020, 5:34 pm
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