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Brictoria
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25 Aug 2020, 5:54 am

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They had a case I believe because the paper misrepresented what actually occurred.


Such as by referring to them as racists without evidence?



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25 Aug 2020, 5:56 am

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Straight talking:
Alex in the space of a few days you have undone the work of thousands of man hours, you may have no heed on our work or our voices, you may take our autistic energy for granted, but that doesnt mean that I will consent to being taken for granted.

You may own the site and invest hard earned money but how you are behaving towards undoing the collective efforts of this community is callous.

How can I contribute to your efforts and heed your work? Please let me know because I would like to support that and want the community to be the best it can be.


Before I begin:
You abandoned us and that is callous, I cant trust an admin that does that.

We operated here through peer cooperation in the absence of an active admin, which is utterly amazing when you consider our apparent social disabilities.

We achieved that through informal voluntary work and a tonne of work-arounds yes regular members voluntarily donated their time to keep the peace, we kept it operational through collaboration.

You have arrived here behaving totally out of touch with the WP of today and seeming as if you are entitled to do so.
This is not the school project that you can do with as you please, this is a collaborative autistic space.

Get on board or appoint someone to do that for you.




I wouldn't want to get into the full meat of Amity's post, and for the record I do feel that the assertion that Alex has 'abandoned us' is a bit over the top. But just to concentrate on a specific issue, the whole business of contacting the 'admin' and getting anything done can be something of a nightmare.

As an example, a few years ago there was a potentially major security issue, with the private email addresses of members (often revealing their full names) appearing sometimes in the information beneath their avatars to the left of the posting box. I was sufficiently concerned by this to try to change the email address registered with WP to a new one that was more 'impersonal'. It proved very difficult to do this, so I tried to contact the 'admin' to find out what to do.

I had more or less taken it for granted that WP would by default have a group of people who could sort out such matters without any drama (a 'help desk', if you like), but it turned out that there's no such group, and that this was not a function of the moderators either. After a good deal more digging around, I discovered that Alex Plank appears to be the sole 'Administrator' (or is the official title 'Developer'?), so I contacted him by PM to explain my issue. No reply, which was a bit of a surprise to me at the time, though it became very clear over time that this was an entirely typical experience (I think I PMed Alex on another occasion with the same result). Anyway the issue wasn't solved, because a few months later I got an official email from WP, which was delivered to my old email address (ironically, the email technically came from ''Alex'). I went on trying to change my registered email address, and eventually managed to do so. No way of checking whether this is actually now my official registered email address, as I haven't had an email communication from WP for at least 3 or 4 years.

Maybe some members might regard this example as a rather trivial and technical matter, but my basic point is that there ought to be a panel of 'administrators' here (whose duties need not include moderating), who have the tools to sort out the difficulties faced by members in a fuss-free and straightforward way. As things stand, we are faced with the options of a PM to Alex, or posting in the 'Wrongplanet Discussion' forum, in the hope that a friendly moderator or fellow member can sort things out: sometimes they can, sometimes they can't.


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25 Aug 2020, 6:03 am

One of the requests from the mods has been for alex to elevate an existing mod to admin to eliminate this problem.



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25 Aug 2020, 6:05 am

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I would struggle to articulate the depth of my disappointment at what's going on in the thread, and the new guidelines in particular.

After alex disappears again, his new guidelines should be ignored. Or enforce them, bring the hammer down on people who either aren't doing anything wrong at all or only committing minor offences while allowing accusations of racism to be thrown around with impunity and watch the site bleed to death.


Boycott PPR.
I did/have.
Simples. 8)

Let the left have its "Echo chamber". :wink:



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25 Aug 2020, 6:08 am

alex wrote:
They had a case I believe because the paper misrepresented what actually occurred.


I have a case because I was misrepresented by a repeat offender in PPR.
Not long after, due to this problem not being addressed, I simply left that forum.
Problem fixed. ;)



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25 Aug 2020, 6:09 am

Pepe wrote:
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I would struggle to articulate the depth of my disappointment at what's going on in the thread, and the new guidelines in particular.

After alex disappears again, his new guidelines should be ignored. Or enforce them, bring the hammer down on people who either aren't doing anything wrong at all or only committing minor offences while allowing accusations of racism to be thrown around with impunity and watch the site bleed to death.


Boycott PPR.
I did/have.
Simples. 8)

Let the left have its "Echo chamber". :wink:

I'd be willing to bet plenty of lefties don't want PPR to be an echo chamber. Everyone loses.



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25 Aug 2020, 6:12 am

Brictoria wrote:
alex wrote:
They had a case I believe because the paper misrepresented what actually occurred.


Such as by referring to them as racists without evidence?
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25 Aug 2020, 6:14 am

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I see all of these but it seems like par for the course. PPR has always been a place where people speak freely and are allowed to share their beliefs. And it’s generally been accepted that if you can’t stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. And by that I mean members sensitive to things like “all conservatives are nazis” should probably avoid the ppr forum.

How about "all liberals love Stalin"? Or maybe "All the Jews want genocide on Arabs"? "All men are agressive"? "All women are gold diggers?" "All left-wingers are hypocritical"? "All centrists are spineless"?


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25 Aug 2020, 6:15 am

On an even more technical point than the one raised in my previous post by the way, I just tried to edit that post by removing a SINGLE LETTER to correct a spelling error, and the Captcha device appeared, forced me to resubmit the entire post, then came up with some sort of error message about the server not being able to understand the request. LOL.

Maybe the admin should look into this matter as well, though it's been an issue in various forms for well over half a decade.


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25 Aug 2020, 6:18 am

magz wrote:
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I see all of these but it seems like par for the course. PPR has always been a place where people speak freely and are allowed to share their beliefs. And it’s generally been accepted that if you can’t stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. And by that I mean members sensitive to things like “all conservatives are nazis” should probably avoid the ppr forum.

How about "all liberals love Stalin"? Or maybe "All the Jews want genocide on Arabs"? "All men are agressive"? "All women are gold diggers?" "All left-wingers are hypocritical"? "All centrists are spineless"?


All progressives are sanctimonious, self-righteous virtue signallers. 8)



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25 Aug 2020, 6:20 am

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On an even more technical point than the one raised in my previous post by the way, I just tried to edit that post by removing a SINGLE LETTER to correct a spelling error, and the Captcha device appeared, forced me to resubmit the entire post, then came up with some sort of error message about the server not being able to understand the request. LOL.

Maybe the admin should look into this matter as well, though it's been an issue in various forms for well over half a decade.


Doesn't back-spacing a couple of times fix the problem? :scratch:



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25 Aug 2020, 6:22 am

Pepe wrote:
magz wrote:
alex wrote:
I see all of these but it seems like par for the course. PPR has always been a place where people speak freely and are allowed to share their beliefs. And it’s generally been accepted that if you can’t stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. And by that I mean members sensitive to things like “all conservatives are nazis” should probably avoid the ppr forum.

How about "all liberals love Stalin"? Or maybe "All the Jews want genocide on Arabs"? "All men are agressive"? "All women are gold diggers?" "All left-wingers are hypocritical"? "All centrists are spineless"?

All progressives are sanctimonious, self-righteous virtue signallers. 8)

"All BLM protesters want to just demolish and loot"? <- I strongly disagree with that one but I'm asking about boundaries of the acceptable.


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25 Aug 2020, 6:23 am

Pepe wrote:
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On an even more technical point than the one raised in my previous post by the way, I just tried to edit that post by removing a SINGLE LETTER to correct a spelling error, and the Captcha device appeared, forced me to resubmit the entire post, then came up with some sort of error message about the server not being able to understand the request. LOL.

Maybe the admin should look into this matter as well, though it's been an issue in various forms for well over half a decade.


Doesn't back-spacing a couple of times fix the problem? :scratch:


Yes, hitting the "back 1 page" button in browser twice returns you to your post as it was when you hit preview\submit, so you can edit and resubmit.

Captcha generally won't reappear on your next submission attempt.



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25 Aug 2020, 6:33 am

All progressives are regressives.


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25 Aug 2020, 6:41 am

magz wrote:
Pepe wrote:
magz wrote:
alex wrote:
I see all of these but it seems like par for the course. PPR has always been a place where people speak freely and are allowed to share their beliefs. And it’s generally been accepted that if you can’t stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. And by that I mean members sensitive to things like “all conservatives are nazis” should probably avoid the ppr forum.

How about "all liberals love Stalin"? Or maybe "All the Jews want genocide on Arabs"? "All men are agressive"? "All women are gold diggers?" "All left-wingers are hypocritical"? "All centrists are spineless"?

All progressives are sanctimonious, self-righteous virtue signallers. 8)

"All BLM protesters want to just demolish and loot"? <- I strongly disagree with that one but I'm asking about boundaries of the acceptable.

All Muslims are terrorists just waiting for the right moment to strike...

All Christians are sanctimonious, weak-minded, meek sheep...

All atheists are mindless druggies and alcoholics with no moral character...

Let no group be left out! Inclusivity! :mrgreen:



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25 Aug 2020, 7:03 am

How about a less controversial example, potentially more illustrative of the problem, as seen by certain NT's:

"All Autistic people are _____"
(I'll leave this blank, as I'm sure people can think of words that others have seen\heard).

I'm sure people have come across some variant of this (either aimed at them, or at those on the spectrum as a group) and know how it made them feel: That's how centrists or those who may agree with the right of politics are treated here on a continual basis, and have been for many months - Simply replace "Autistic people" with "conservative", or "right wing" (or some related term), apply the pejorative of choice (with no explanation for the reason or justification for the statement, either when having the "description" applied, or when asked for an explanation as to why they were labelled in such a way), and you'll see why members have been leaving, or are very close to doing so.

And who, seeing that sort of treatment applied to a member, whose post they may see and agree with, would want to sign up and become a member here?