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06 Oct 2013, 9:19 am

I'd rather not know if people like my posts or not.


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06 Oct 2013, 9:53 am

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Also the fact that it has the potential to turn wrongplanet.net into a popularity contest. A lot of people on here do not have great social skills and are not interested in "making friends" as such. How would the new poster feel if they posted a topic or comment with no likes as opposed to a long term poster that has posted an arbitrary comment with 100+ likes? I personally think this alone would not be in the best interest of a forum like this one that is based around people with a social disorder.


Agreed.

Trying to get a loose collective of people, who are already a minority (often feeling so on a completely individual level), into participating (by its very existence) in something that even encourages a majority is, well, a bad idea in my book.

I think so many people here, myself included, have to work hard at conformity in everyday life - something that promotes conformists thinking surely isn't the way to go.



Your not the only one that has aspergers/ a social disorder.

It doesn't matter though, you can pretty much pencil in a disagreement with anything I say from you so your comment isn't really helpful.



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06 Oct 2013, 10:05 am

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06 Oct 2013, 10:08 am

Look, there is no point in arguing about it because implementing this would take a lot of coding that would take a lot of precious time.

Regarding your earlier comment, whether or not an admin is more knowledgable about the potential benefits of a "like" button is irrelevant. Cornflake is obviously more knowledgeable than you about what implementing this feature would take. You have been told that it would take a lot of coding, which would take too much time. Which part of that don't you understand?

There is no point in even discussing this at the moment. You may be pleased to know that in later versions of phpBB, a system for thanking posters is a native feature. Wait for the update in about a year or so, and then there'll at least be a point to arguing over this. :roll:

Until then: Shut. Up.



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06 Oct 2013, 10:23 am

That's no way to gain somebody's respect. Not mine.



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06 Oct 2013, 10:24 am

Max000 wrote:
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^ Yep, this exactly.
Raised several times already but I'm getting the impression that any social site needs to run like Facebook these days...
But this isn't Facebook and the target audience is entirely different. That can't simply be ignored.


I wish everyone could forget about Facebook. I don't think anyone is proposing anything like Facebook. No wants to see a "Like" (thumb-up) "Unlike" (thumbs-down) button added to WP. That would be a very, very, very bad idea. It would obviously not be appropriate for a site like WP. We only want a way of leaving some positive feedback on someones post.

Here is a type of system that I think would work excellent on WP. No negativity, no reputation given, just a simple list of people who liked the post.

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That's a Vbulletin mod pictured which I don't think is compatible with the forum software WP uses, and IIRC Alex has already butchered the site software too much as it is (it's why it can't be updated).

Alex should switch to Vbulletin. I know a fantastic site on Vbulletin.



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06 Oct 2013, 10:35 am

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That's no way to gain somebody's respect. Not mine.


My intention was not - and still isn't - to gain your respect. You are being incredibly annoying, and I would like you to stop.

How about answering some of the other points in my post? If you don't, I'll have to conclude that you're trolling because I honestly couldn't have made them any simpler.



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06 Oct 2013, 10:39 am

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My intention was not - and still isn't - to gain your respect. You are being incredibly annoying, and I would like you to stop.

How about answering some of the other points in my post? If you don't, I'll have to conclude that you're trolling because I honestly couldn't have made them any simpler.


I'm fine with it taking time to implement due to the coding. I never said I had an issue with the amount of time it would take to implement the "like" button. I just had an issue with mods. D others dismissing the idea because they think it's not beneficial to the website. They are entitled to their own opinion, but don't dismiss others ideas.



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06 Oct 2013, 10:52 am

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I'm fine with it taking time to implement due to the coding. I never said I had an issue with the amount of time it would take to implement the "like" button.


But Alex has a day job like everyone else. He and anyone else who assists will object to having to spend their free time implementing the feature.

And as I said, even if the community were in support of this feature, it'd be pointless to take time implement at this stage when it will likely come as a native feature in the big update anyway.

Wait until the update. Then make a poll thread. If the community supports it - it may be implemented.

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06 Oct 2013, 11:05 am

Be careful what you wish for.


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06 Oct 2013, 4:48 pm

Cornflake wrote:
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We only want a way of leaving some positive feedback on someones post.
And leaving no feedback is practically guaranteed to be seen as a negative vote, amongst those positives. "I never get thanked for my posts. Huh, this place is just like real life with the cliques and popular people".
That sort of thing actually happens now, and adding a "like" button so that some posters accumulate popularity badges consisting of blocks of "likers" is a sure and certain way of shoving the popularity contest aspect in someone's face.
It's more likely to be intimidating than to "encourage" people to post more - especially new members, who are often nervous about posting at all.


Oh please, if someone never gets thanked for a post, even when there is a button there, then they are probably either trolling or they are just so obnoxious that no one can possibly like or respect what they are saying. I know because over the years I have posted some pretty unpopular opinions on web forums, and I still managed to get surprisingly more then a few "thumbs up" for it.

Do you really think that WP members would form cliques, to deliberately ignore certain posters? I'm pretty sure that wouldn't happen. Because 1. most WP members have no interest in joining cliques, and 2. most WP members are not that interest in being popular. Joining cliques is not generally an autistic trait. I'm sure some do it, but I think the number would be be very small.

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I don't agree that clicking a button to accumulate "popularity points" (and that's all they are) has any value over saying how a post was good, or appreciated, or clever. It's lazy and negates the reason for having threads: communication. Is it really so much trouble to comment in person that a button needs to be added?
So to turn the request into a question "How do we leave some positive feedback on someone's post?", the answer already exists: you tell them.


Yes it is too much trouble, for several reasons.

First, if a lot of people respond with nothing more then comments like "thanks" or "I agree" it disrupts the flow of the thread. It's way more convenient and efficient to manage all that appreciation in one place, rather then page after page of "thank you", "I agree", and "me too". The main reason that these systems were added to forums in the first place, was to keep those types of repetitious post out of threads.

Second, responding to a post takes time. I can give a dozen thumbs up, in the same amount of time, I can post one response. Personally I generally only respond to posts that I agree with, if I can at least add something to the posts. If I agree with the post and can't think of anything to add, I don't respond. That's when I'd like to have a "thumbs-up" button.



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06 Oct 2013, 5:04 pm

babybird wrote:
I'd rather not know if people like my posts or not.


Why?

Personally I could care less if someone likes my posts, or not. But it is kind of nice to know that someone actually read my post and clicked a button.



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06 Oct 2013, 5:13 pm

FFS, do we need to continue this any longer?!



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06 Oct 2013, 8:47 pm

Max000 wrote:
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Aside from the option to " like" or "thank" posts, I've thought of a couple more upgrades.

1. Have a regional forum ( I.E. United States, Europe, Canada, Asia, Africa, etc.) for meet ups.


Already been done.

:arrow: Regional Meetup & Networking Thread Index


One recommendation that I would make is having a separate stickied meetup thread for the current year, then add a new one in January.

For example, the stickied thread was started on 2/2/2012, and ran to the 4th page before it became 2013 (for the record, I had the first post of 2013). It may be easier for people to read through the meetup thread if it's only for the current year.

While I understand the point made above, that WP is not a meetup site, what I suggest can be done without any software changes, and only requires moderator attention once a year.


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07 Oct 2013, 5:10 am

Max000 wrote:
Oh please, if someone never gets thanked for a post, even when there is a button there, then they are probably either trolling or they are just so obnoxious that no one can possibly like or respect what they are saying. I know because over the years I have posted some pretty unpopular opinions on web forums, and I still managed to get surprisingly more then a few "thumbs up" for it.

Do you really think that WP members would form cliques, to deliberately ignore certain posters? I'm pretty sure that wouldn't happen. Because 1. most WP members have no interest in joining cliques, and 2. most WP members are not that interest in being popular. Joining cliques is not generally an autistic trait. I'm sure some do it, but I think the number would be be very small.

You can't speak for everyone or generalize about Autism in such a way, and you'd be surprised how many people want to be accepted or have their opinions validated. Ever gone to Haven, L&D, Members Only? Prime examples right there.

Imagine say, I disagree with you on this, and I happened to have a lot of friends who liked the post for no other reason than because I'm disagreeing with you specifically, or because they're my friend. Wouldn't this bother you? Wouldn't you then proceed to point out the flaw in the very system you support because it isn't favoring you? I think my point is clear with this. I see this happen in other forums, a lot. The very things you say won't happen, are the most likely things to happen. Believe it or not we are human and fallible.

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Yes it is too much trouble, for several reasons.

First, if a lot of people respond with nothing more then comments like "thanks" or "I agree" it disrupts the flow of the thread. It's way more convenient and efficient to manage all that appreciation in one place, rather then page after page of "thank you", "I agree", and "me too". The main reason that these systems were added to forums in the first place, was to keep those types of repetitious post out of threads.

Second, responding to a post takes time. I can give a dozen thumbs up, in the same amount of time, I can post one response. Personally I generally only respond to posts that I agree with, if I can at least add something to the posts. If I agree with the post and can't think of anything to add, I don't respond. That's when I'd like to have a "thumbs-up" button.

I'm aware that the software used on WP is perhaps antiquated but I think your reasoning is at best disingenuous. How long does it really take to write "I agree."? I could hit quote, type that and submit in the space of 10 seconds. It's not much more inconvenient than clicking a button once or twice, unless you have ADHD.

The fact you say "I agree" rather than "I found this helpful" (which is normally used with kudos systems) somewhat defeats the argument you tried to make in the previous bit I quoted, which is that cliques won't form or WP'ers won't become a hivemind. If this forum and others has proven anything to me it is that the human ego gravitates towards others that validate their opinions and views. You already proved this with your wishes of an "I agree" button rather than a "this was informative, funny or helpful" button.

WP has a lot of intelligent discussion, and already has cliques. It would be a shame to see it turn into a "junkfood" forum where all we do is click buttons, look at each others display pics and convoluted soundbytes rather than the merit of each other's words. What I'm saying is I feel adding these sorts of features would only reduce the quality of topics as well as posts. People will say and do things not representative of their true nature or character to get likes or fans, or someone who has a sexy picture and forms coherent enough sentences that pretend to be deep or meaningful will also get likes. Again this is not productive to WP'ers because it is introducing a lot of the same problems people on the spectrum face in real life and are trying to escape from when they come here.

Anyways sorry to rant, man. Just saying it's a nice idea but not for WP.



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07 Oct 2013, 8:56 am

A separate section for polls would be nice. I think that way it would be easier get general consensus without searching through other sub forums.