How we deal with racism and hate speech on Wrong Planet

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I was at a sh***y crustpunk bar once getting an after-work beer. One of those s**tholes where the bartenders clearly hate you. So the bartender and I were ignoring one another when someone sits next to me and he immediately says, "no. get out."

And the dude next to me says, "hey i'm not doing anything, i'm a paying customer." and the bartender reaches under the counter for a bat or something and says, "out. now." and the dude leaves, kind of yelling. And he was dressed in a punk uniform, I noticed

Anyway, I asked what that was about and the bartender was like, "you didn't see his vest but it was all nazi s**t. Iron crosses and stuff. You get to recognize them."

And i was like, ohok and he continues.

"you have to nip it in the bud immediately. These guys come in and it's always a nice, polite one. And you serve them because you don't want to cause a scene. And then they become a regular and after awhile they bring a friend. And that dude is cool too.

And then THEY bring friends and the friends bring friends and they stop being cool and then you realize, oh s**t, this is a Nazi bar now. And it's too late because they're entrenched and if you try to kick them out, they cause a PROBLEM. So you have to shut them down.

And i was like, 'oh damn.' and he said "yeah, you have to ignore their reasonable arguments because their end goal is to be terrible, awful people."

And then he went back to ignoring me. But I haven't forgotten that at all.

Wow, first time reading this thread. People calling an accusation of racism something as bad as actual racism is BS. Actual racism destroys people's lives and is much worse than just getting your feelings hurt over an internet discussion. A racism accusation on this little corner of the Internet isn't going to destroy anybody's reputation. What garbage.

Making light of racism by comparing it to trivial s**t like this is one sign of being a racist.

Being overly concerned with being called a racist is one sign of being a racist.

Believing it's possible to consciously say something racist without being a racist is a very good sign of being a racist. You don't get a pass on racism just because you're unaware that your ideas are racist. Racist words = racist thoughts = you're a racist.

3. Calling someone racist is not a personal attack, it is a description. If someone calls you racist, keep in mind that you may very well be doing things that fit their understanding of what racist means. Don't take it as an insult but as a chance to learn and improve yourself. Ask why what you said bothers them and why they believe it is racist. Ask how you can do better in the future. If you disagree with their assessment, you're allowed to say that but keep in mind that opinions differ and you won't be able to change the fact that they view you as racist.

I can't believe my posts are still there , I still stand by a lot of them but I could have said it better but still disagree with Alex on a lot of what he said.