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30 Jan 2010, 7:36 am

Biggest waste of time. The whole "Aspergerian Race" was probably most... Inspiring, in a way. They make it seem like we can just go up to a group of people and rally them into an army within seconds. If only it were that easy. Everyone knows that AS is terrible socially, Intelligent or not. However, there is one thing I agree with: People with AS accept it as a way of life, do we not? If offered a cure, I would reject it. AS is a part of me, and I am glad to have it. Glad. In a way, I have always wanted to know what would happen if the world had Aspergers, but none of us would ever go as far as mass-murder to reach the goal, obviously. As for the other Autistics, I do, in a way, fail to understand or empathise for them. I really cannot understand what makes their mind tick - but that is all the more reason I grow interested in what actually does make their mind tick. Odds are, none of this community would ever stoop so low as to mass-murder (This is all in one paragraph so that, if print-screened, it cannot be cropped to show biased views).



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30 Jan 2010, 11:41 am

Abangyarudo wrote:
I have to disagree with some of the assessments as it stands when you promote a site that has selective moderation. This is exactly what happens although the person in question clearly doesn't use search because you can find those posts rather easily. In the end wrong planet decides to moderate selectively so any such videos like this can and will happen. In the end it should be a lesson to the individual posters that clearly you can't say everything you want to without repercussions. The quoted comments are very shocking and disgusting and if you allow that that is what people will see not only wrong planet but people with autistics/asperger's will be associated with. To an above poster there is no context where those comments would be ok.

I have left the site for awhile because of the shady moderation and the community at large has become somewhat immature, and behaves like this (hence the shady moderation). I was actually looking to see if by any chance they added a delete account button but obviously they want to get members numbers for sponsorship deals especially if the donations by members falls through. Anyway guess I'll come back in another 6 months or so.

Don't get me wrong I've made some cool friends here and I think Alex has done some great pieces towards the understanding of autism/aspergers. I just took a different path then this site and quite frankly if I wanted politics I would go into politics. I believe in the autistic pride movement in the way that through my life my differences has distinguished me as a person. I wouldn't change asperger's for anything. Have I had trouble relating to my peers? yes I have. Have I had trouble in my personal relationships? yes. In the end though you need to put an approximation on how much of that is my personality, quirks, etc and how much is the perceived problem.

Unfortunately even with that in mind it was hard for me to be a member and watch some of these comments and statements so if anything I hope this video shows people that they can't behave without being judged so if you don't want to be judged based on forum posts that are disgusting don't post the material. We are responsible for how the world sees us so you act like the forum posters yea you will be judged. If you act like a decent human being I'm not saying you won't have the split second judgments but then you change the judgment to match who you are.


Surely you have to look at the context in which those posts were made though? Judging by the source of that video, I don't find that portrayal of this site very plausible.



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30 Jan 2010, 12:09 pm

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I'd never heard that thing about 88! O.o That's the year I was born...


Logo of a sub-division of the ultra-radical Combat18 skinheads :
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Skinhead jacket :
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14 stands for the so-called "14 words" or "We must secure the existence of the White race and protect a future for our children".
88 stands for "HH" or "Heil Hitler".
NS stands for National-Socialism (Nazism).

valkyrieraven88 wrote:
no, totally opposite of Nazi; my grandfather killed Germans in World War II, and my family's part Native American. If Nazis took over, I'd be killed when they tried to create a master race.


First of all, the Nazis weren't planning to take over the US at all nor were they killing everyone who didn't fit to their racial ideal. Those are just propaganda lies that somehow lived on after the war. In fact, some might have even admired your descendance from Nordic royalty in spite of your Native American admixture. Nordic bloodlines as well as arristocratic bloodlines were strongly admired by many of the Nazis.

I've personally been anything from radical Anarchist to radical Nazi, so I have quite some affinity with pretty much every ideology in the political spectrum. Currently I'm somewhat of a morally conservative and economically semi-collectivist libertarian... if I have to give it a label ;)

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I still live at home, but I have four bookshelves that are completely full of books about all sorts of subjects. Got some on history, some on biology, some on the occult and mythology, lots of fiction as well...I'll have more room for books when I move in with my boyfriend in May. He has a pretty impressive library himself.


Nice!

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I like 1715-1915 because I can see the gradual progression from the old way of doing things to the modern, and it's quite impressive. The Victorian era in particular captures my interest, but after World War I starts my interest wanes a bit.


Maybe you should put more effort into studying the era 1915-1965. Most people have a very biased perspective on that era because they've been told many lies as historical facts.

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As for girls, you might want to try joining some sort of group of people who share your interests. Think about where people who are interested in history would go, like maybe the history section in your book store, etc.


That's why I'm planning to spend some time in a student pub filled with history students. I don't think there are any places more likely to find people in their 20s with similar interests :D

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My boyfriend thought I was a bit annoying at first but we started talking when he realized that I was interested in the same historical and philosophical topics as he was, and that I was smart enough to understand him.


I actually love to meet people who are at the same level as I (or even a higher level) on topics I'm very interested at. In fact, I have a friend who's far more well-read in political philosophy than I am and in many ways I consider him a mentor. In a woman I find such traits very attractive, but I can't say I've ever met a single woman at the same level when it comes to political philosophy, metaphysics, recent history, movies and other topics I'm very interested in.

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He's a genius, so he's low on people who share his interests.


I know the feeling. I've been a member of Mensa for some time and even there I felt like I had only very few people to remotely connect with (which is the reason I'm no longer a member).

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Non-autistics who are smart, even if they have lots of friends, want to be able to talk to someone about things like history or math, so you've got that to your advantage.


Let's hope it works out.



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01 Feb 2010, 8:42 am

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The other day I came across this YouTube video, and it really shocked and saddened me, because it basically branded every single member of Wrong Planet an "Autism Nazi":


I expect this kind of material would shock and sadden most people.

It sounds very poisionous and so I am wondering why you would want to bring this kind of polution to the forum.

At BEST, members will waste their time getting upset and venting their anger.

I won't be looking at the video.

Hate and bile are the same whoever is spewing it out and to whomever it is directed, which according to you is us in this case.


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01 Feb 2010, 8:48 am

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I expect this kind of material would shock and sadden most people.

It sounds very poisionous and so I am wondering why you would want to bring this kind of polution to the forum.

At BEST, members will waste their time getting upset and venting their anger.

I won't be looking at the video.

Hate and bile are the same whoever is spewing it out and to whomever it is directed, which according to you is us in this case.


Ignoring unpopular speech only gives it more credibility. It is never a good idea to ignore hateful or offensive statements even if they are based on prejudice because ignoring them gives the impression that you have no arguments against them.



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01 Feb 2010, 8:52 am

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I just don't like the colour scheme - I mean... red on green?


I didn't see this post until I had made my own.

This is an absolutely glorious response.

I hope you don't mind if I borrow (and modify) from the idea from time to time :?:

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01 Feb 2010, 9:30 am

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why are we feeding this troll again? This is the third topic at least on it.
I insist.


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01 Feb 2010, 11:09 am

Salonfilosoof wrote:
Blindspot149 wrote:
I expect this kind of material would shock and sadden most people.

It sounds very poisionous and so I am wondering why you would want to bring this kind of polution to the forum.

At BEST, members will waste their time getting upset and venting their anger.

I won't be looking at the video.

Hate and bile are the same whoever is spewing it out and to whomever it is directed, which according to you is us in this case.


Ignoring unpopular speech only gives it more credibility. It is never a good idea to ignore hateful or offensive statements even if they are based on prejudice because ignoring them gives the impression that you have no arguments against them.


Again, we're dealing with opinion and experience - I would say exactly the opposite in this case, that by dignifying their unpopular speech with a response that you are giving it more value and importance than it is worth. Arguing opinions is a futile effort, as there is no 'right' answer, and to involve yourself in such a battle is to waste resources and intellect.


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01 Feb 2010, 11:25 am

makuranososhi wrote:
Salonfilosoof wrote:
Ignoring unpopular speech only gives it more credibility. It is never a good idea to ignore hateful or offensive statements even if they are based on prejudice because ignoring them gives the impression that you have no arguments against them.


Again, we're dealing with opinion and experience - I would say exactly the opposite in this case, that by dignifying their unpopular speech with a response that you are giving it more value and importance than it is worth. Arguing opinions is a futile effort, as there is no 'right' answer, and to involve yourself in such a battle is to waste resources and intellect.


Usually, there does exist a right answer. Perspectives on some fact may differ but a fact remains a fact.



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01 Feb 2010, 11:29 am

Salonfilosoof wrote:
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Salonfilosoof wrote:
Ignoring unpopular speech only gives it more credibility. It is never a good idea to ignore hateful or offensive statements even if they are based on prejudice because ignoring them gives the impression that you have no arguments against them.


Again, we're dealing with opinion and experience - I would say exactly the opposite in this case, that by dignifying their unpopular speech with a response that you are giving it more value and importance than it is worth. Arguing opinions is a futile effort, as there is no 'right' answer, and to involve yourself in such a battle is to waste resources and intellect.


Usually, there does exist a right answer. Perspectives on some fact may differ but a fact remains a fact.


And again we disagree: to me, there are right answers. Multiple. Some have different strengths or benefits than others, but there is rarely, if ever, a single correct answer to anything. And, as is said, there are two sides to every story - and more often than not, both are right depending on what perspective you take. Welcome to subjectivism, where nothing has an absolute value.


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01 Feb 2010, 12:14 pm

makuranososhi wrote:
Salonfilosoof wrote:
Usually, there does exist a right answer. Perspectives on some fact may differ but a fact remains a fact.


And again we disagree: to me, there are right answers. Multiple. Some have different strengths or benefits than others, but there is rarely, if ever, a single correct answer to anything.


Either you're a man or a woman. Either you have Asperger's or you don't. Either you own a house or you don't. Either you have a criminal record or you don't. Either you have a job or you don't. While there may be some grey areas of confusion in some case, in my experience there is only one possible answer in most cases.

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And, as is said, there are two sides to every story - and more often than not, both are right depending on what perspective you take.


That's only possible when they agree on the facts, which makes any debate pointless to begin withs.

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Welcome to subjectivism, where nothing has an absolute value.


Welcome to realism, where everything has absolute value.

Perspectives are subjective, but facts are objective by default. If they aren't objective, they aren't facts.



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01 Feb 2010, 12:23 pm

I would say the difference between a perspective and a fact is that a perspective includes moral judgements and other subjective data, whereas a fact consists of an objective and provable reality. As such, a fact is objective and a perspective is subjective. Any opinion is usually a mixture of objective fact and subjective perspective. If the objective facts can be proven, your opinion holds a lot more ground than when it can't and if the objective facts tend to disprove an opinion, it is a valid approach to prove those facts and therefore disprove the opinion as invalid. That's why I believe in rational debate on opinion as long as there is a way to prove or disprove the facts on which either party claims to base his/her opinion.

Look at the whole evolution vs creationism debate. Both "evolutionists" and "creationists" hold a very strong opinion and both believe they're right, yet only one of them can be right because they contradict one another on the facts. If either side can prove beyond reasonable doubt that the foundation of their opinion is scientifically valid, they immediately disprove the opinion of the other as it is in direct contradiction with it. It is impossible for both "evolutionists" and "creationists" to be right.



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01 Feb 2010, 12:45 pm

You're either a man or a woman? What about transgendered, hermaphrodite, and other gender variants? Having an ASD is being on a spectrum, not a light switch turned on or off. Unless your house is paid off, you don't own your house - the bank does and you're paying on it. As for employment... well, in this economy I know several individuals who would argue your comments as being basely false giving their yo-yo status. So none of the examples provided actually substantiate the black/white mentality that you suggest as being "real".

No, it's possible whenever two different individuals observe the same event - no two records of what they've seen will be the same. I believe you're confusing facts with truth.

People aren't values; they are variables. The static world you're describing does not exist in my own experience; life is a subjective journey.


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01 Feb 2010, 1:07 pm

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You're either a man or a woman? What about transgendered, hermaphrodite, and other gender variants?


As I said, there are some grey areas. In this case, hermaphrodites are indeed such a grey area. One may argue to what gender transgender people, metrosexuals or tomboys belong, but this seems to be more an issue of semantics (perspective) than biological facts.

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Having an ASD is being on a spectrum, not a light switch turned on or off.


True. However, either you're on the spectrum or you're not.

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Unless your house is paid off, you don't own your house - the bank does and you're paying on it.


One can argue on whether ownership of a house starts the moment it's built or the moment the mortgage is paid off, but again this seems to be an issue of semantics (how do you define ownership) rather than facts.

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As for employment... well, in this economy I know several individuals who would argue your comments as being basely false giving their yo-yo status.


They may yo-yo between employment and unemployment, but the moment they do work and get paid for it they are verifiably employed and the moment they do not work they are verifiably unemployed. One may argue about cases of self-employment without income or volunteer work without income, but here again it's more of a semantics issue.

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So none of the examples provided actually substantiate the black/white mentality that you suggest as being "real".


Only when you include disagreement on semantics/definitions. If one agrees on a particular definition, there is no ambiguity except perhaps in the case of hermaphrodites (where gender clearly is mixed by objective standards).

Semantics discussions are totally pointless, because basically you're not discussing a real issue but merely how you're going to label certain attributes of any specific context.

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No, it's possible whenever two different individuals observe the same event - no two records of what they've seen will be the same. I believe you're confusing facts with truth.


When two people give a different account of the same events, it's because they have a different perspective. They can agree on the facts while speaking from a completely different perspective.

Facts = objective truth.
Perspective = subjective interpretation of the objective truth.
Opinion = a viewpoint resulting from either a subjective interpretation of the objective truth as it is understood, a subjective feeling or a mixture thereof.

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People aren't values; they are variables.


Semantically perhaps. When ignoring semantics, we do end up with at least some unambiguous properties.

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The static world you're describing does not exist in my own experience


That's because you seem to attribute a great amount of importance to semantics, which I consider irrelevant.

makuranososhi wrote:
life is a subjective journey.


Life is a subjective journey through an objectively defined (mathematical) universe.



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01 Feb 2010, 1:12 pm

If it were objective, then it would not be subject to change and definition through the act of observing it in action. While I appreciate what you are saying, it is not factual in my eyes - at best, these are your personal truths and how you navigate through life.


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01 Feb 2010, 1:17 pm

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If it were objective, then it would not be subject to change and definition through the act of observing it in action.


Facts never change (at least not when looking at any given point in time). People's knowledge of the facts and their interpretation thereof can change, however.

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While I appreciate what you are saying, it is not factual in my eyes - at best, these are your personal truths and how you navigate through life.


There's your personal perspetive on and understanding of truth which is highly subjective and changable, but truth itself is objective reality that is independent of any given perspective on or understanding of truth.