Are the PMs of forum members routinely read or not?

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Thanks for clearing that up. There's a big difference between the two.

actually, we don't know if ISPs read emails or other messages more often - you are taking their word for it. i suppose that you have to trust them, just like you have to trust alex (and the moderators). the ISPs can see whatever they want to see, but you are accepting at face value that they do not check what websites you go to, what emails you send, etc.

just because they can't watch everyone doesn't mean they are not watching YOU.

no difference at all.

and if you don't trust alex (or us), then why are you here?

Not really. PMs end up stuffed into database and could be read from there; live data from an ISP's customer could be buffered and saved for later reading. That it may only currently save IP addresses, packet types etc. is no indication of what it's possible to save.
I've done it on a smaller scale with corporate servers - and I hasten to add that it was part of a fully-sanctioned, wider process involving gathering evidence of criminal activities.
So an ISP's viewing of your private data is as easily achieved as an administrator's viewing of PMs and both strictly remain something which isn't done on a whim.

Hyperlexian, you should be ashamed. You're trying to make this into a me vs. Alex thing. Why?

i see that you didn't answer my last response. are you planning to answer that?

Your question is silly. Since when does not trusting someone implies I must avoid being in a community he runs?

Give me a set of logical premises that would've led you to such a seemingly non sequitur conclusion.

it was this question i was talking about. ^^^^you passed over it.

i didn't create any problems between you and alex. you have made your feelings pretty obvious (and public). if you have a problem with him, you are expected to keep that problem off site, and it should not affect your behaviour on WP. it's been an issue before, and it's up to you if it will be an issue in future.

It's pretty obvious to me that this deliberate confusion of what was a fairly simple inquiry is some kind of axe grindery on your part, Mr. Calavera.

If you think your PMs are so interesting that Alex won't be able to resist reading them, then I should avoid using the PM system here. Simple!

Please do stop trolling the mods, you are here on sufferance still.

Let's see you transform into the beautiful butterfly I know you can become.

Maybe you should reread the posts again. No one here can tell whether Alex really does check the PMs for only legal and technical purposes.

As a previous admin of two forums (on two separate occasions), I didn't even go through the logs for any purpose - "legal or technical". Not sure what kind of legal/technical concerns would've forced Alex checking out the PMs made by others to others.



I do have problems with him, but this has nothing to do with anything I posted here in this thread. Not a good idea to try to cause the fire to spread around here.

Be careful.

Another case of someone trying to turn it into me vs. alex.

Butterfly? I'm a f*****g tiger, and I have these cute stripes that make me glow brightly (not good for the Aspie eyes).

That's nice.

Since Tequila's Inquiry has been answered half a dozen times already, I think we can safely close this thread, as it's rapidly degenerating into some kind of bizarre drama and claims about species realignment.

To Summarise:

1. Mods cannot read Tequila's or any other Member's posts.

2. The administrator (Alex) probably can. There is some doubt as to what circumstances he might do this.

3. MCalavera is a tiger.

And no user of an ISP can know how much of their data is read either. You make an entirely moot point.
Server or forum status logs are OS or service-related and have nothing to do with making user's data visible.

so what? that doesn't mean that you could not do it.

anyway, the point of the thread was whether moderators can read PMs, and we established they cannot. nothing to do with alex, as far as i can see.


be careful of what? are you threatening me?