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26 Nov 2012, 2:04 pm

Intensitysquared would be a better site because it's freedom of speech but I can't gaurentee you that members will like you there. While you would have the right to say there whatever you want, they have the right to say whatever they want to it and however they want to react to it and treat you there since it's a freedom of speech site.


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26 Nov 2012, 2:52 pm

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Do you have to say the n word and the three letter f word? How hard is it to not say them?


If you look at posts on message board, as opposed to chat log, I never used these words (yes some posts can be considered racist but they were phrased in a way that does not use such words). As far as chat log goes, like I said I simply used these words in order to get an attention because the chat was extremely difficult to participate in.



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26 Nov 2012, 2:57 pm

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This is one reason I am against censorship of this kind. And no it is not just in the context of these issues. I am a believer in freedom of speech IN GENERAL, with any and all topics, not just these. But oh well ...


So you're saying you are in disagreement with the rules and terms of service of this site then, is that correct?

Wrong Planet Rules wrote:
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1. Posting offensive language, comments, video, or images.
Unacceptable content includes swearing; racist, sexist, homophobic language; behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members; violent or sexually demeaning content; sexual fetish; and discussion of excretory function. Posting graphic images or videos of people or animals being harmed is prohibited.


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If you are in disagreement with the rules, you agree not to use the site.

What then, are we to do?

You can't have it both ways.

It's very simple. Follow the rules or begone.


Well the things you put in bold only refers to language and not to ideas. Since it is perfectly possible to convey ideas without use of that language I would be happy with that if that was the only restriction you were to impose on me (like I said the ONLY time I used langauge was in a chat room and it was only done to gain attention). But the part that I am unhappy about is that you have limitted me from expression ideas too. In fact I was given final warning before the language incident ever came up. And teh ideas is the only thing I am referring to when I am talking about free speech.

Anyway, I will follow the rules even though I disagree with them. I know I didnt before but I will from now on. But that doesnt change the fact that I dont like the rules; I am simply saying I will obey them regardless just to stay on this site. I am just warning you guys that I might fail to adequately respond to your questions since I will have to refrain from saying certain things that might be logically necessary to answer you. I am not happy about it but still I promise to obey whatever it is the rules say.



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26 Nov 2012, 3:05 pm

League_Girl wrote:
Intensitysquared would be a better site because it's freedom of speech but I can't gaurentee you that members will like you there. While you would have the right to say there whatever you want, they have the right to say whatever they want to it and however they want to react to it and treat you there since it's a freedom of speech site.


I am fine if people are blunt to me. The thing I dont like about intensitysquare though is that it looks more like a game than discussion. At least thats how it sounds when in the terms of services the members are given examples of various attack phrases they can use. So no I wont be offended but its more that I wont be taking it seriously.



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26 Nov 2012, 5:45 pm

Isn't it funny that in a community where we seek tolerance because of a condition that majorly impacts our lives, users expected to tolerate their intolerance?



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26 Nov 2012, 6:14 pm

People don't get banned from the chatroom without good reason, and, in most cases, without plenty of second chances. Permabans are always well-deserved. The original poster clearly earned it, and showed himself to be a bad apple within his first few minutes there.


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27 Nov 2012, 12:39 am

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People don't get banned from the chatroom without good reason, and, in most cases, without plenty of second chances.


Well I didn't get plenty of second chances.

Like I said by looking at the flow of a chat I couldnt immediately tell that racial slurs would be unwelcome there. The people looked VERY bizzar to me.

I mean maybe if I were more accustumed to the chats like this I would say "well they are well behaved they just have a leisurly conversation". But because I was not accustumed I just pictured a bunch of aggressive kids shouting at each other, so I figured I might as well shout too. In other words it was misinterpretation due to Asperger.



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27 Nov 2012, 12:56 am

From the topic of #wrongplanet:

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WrongPlanet.net Autism Spectrum Diversity chat | Type @wpops for urgent operator assistance |*GUIDELINES: Family friendly - Respect and politeness please


And if that wasn't enough:

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Rules have been changed effective 8/7. Read them at http://wpchat.ccallahan.info/rules


And if you go to that page:

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Racist statements sent via the channel or via PM is not permitted


You didn't misinterpret anything - you had a whiney temper tantrum that no one was engaging with you, so you said some extremely offensive things and got banned. These are the facts, and they are not disputed.

In fact, you haven't done anything here to dispute that you didn't say these things, or didn't mean them - but rather that you are justified in saying hateful things about black people and gay people because that is what you believe. You are just simply wrong, and the fact that literally no one in this thread has come to your defense should be enlightening to you.


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27 Nov 2012, 1:14 am

Roman wrote:
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People don't get banned from the chatroom without good reason, and, in most cases, without plenty of second chances.


Well I didn't get plenty of second chances.

Like I said by looking at the flow of a chat I couldnt immediately tell that racial slurs would be unwelcome there. The people looked VERY bizzar to me.

I mean maybe if I were more accustumed to the chats like this I would say "well they are well behaved they just have a leisurly conversation". But because I was not accustumed I just pictured a bunch of aggressive kids shouting at each other, so I figured I might as well shout too. In other words it was misinterpretation due to Asperger.


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Not welcome there? Really? Are you kidding me? No one likes racial slurs, you don't use them anywhere unless you want to get beaten up or get people very angry at you or kicked out of places and rejected and lose respect. It's not really a hidden rule you figure out because once you learn a word is bad and an insult and a hate speech and you then know to not ever use it because you have nothing against gays and black people. I am surprised someone wouldn't even know this.

You're lucky you only said them on the internet. All they could do was kick you out.


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27 Nov 2012, 1:24 am

League_Girl wrote:
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People don't get banned from the chatroom without good reason, and, in most cases, without plenty of second chances.


Well I didn't get plenty of second chances.

Like I said by looking at the flow of a chat I couldnt immediately tell that racial slurs would be unwelcome there. The people looked VERY bizzar to me.

I mean maybe if I were more accustumed to the chats like this I would say "well they are well behaved they just have a leisurly conversation". But because I was not accustumed I just pictured a bunch of aggressive kids shouting at each other, so I figured I might as well shout too. In other words it was misinterpretation due to Asperger.


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Not welcome there? Really? Are you kidding me? No one likes racial slurs, you don't use them anywhere unless you want to get beaten up or get people very angry at you or kicked out of places and rejected and lose respect. It's not really a hidden rule you figure out because once you learn a word is bad and an insult and a hate speech and you then know to not ever use it because you have nothing against gays and black people. I am surprised someone wouldn't even know this.

You're lucky you only said them on the internet. All they could do was kick you out.


If you go to a bar with a bunch of drunk people, they are saying far worse things and get away with it. By the way one of the previous responders said that if they were to walk into the bar and curse at them the moment they enter they would be thrown out. Well I just learned something new I didnt know it before. I thought bars are all about being aggressive. But then again if i were to frequent bars I would have known. The problem is I never been to the bars before -- just like I never managed to participate in such chat rooms before -- which is why I cant really tell.



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27 Nov 2012, 1:31 am

sliqua-jcooter wrote:
From the topic of #wrongplanet:

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WrongPlanet.net Autism Spectrum Diversity chat | Type @wpops for urgent operator assistance |*GUIDELINES: Family friendly - Respect and politeness please


And if that wasn't enough:

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Rules have been changed effective 8/7. Read them at http://wpchat.ccallahan.info/rules


And if you go to that page:

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Racist statements sent via the channel or via PM is not permitted


I didnt read the rules. I rarely do, because usually they are lengthy and usually they all say the same thing blindly copied from other websites, and dont necesserely reflect the actual situation.

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You didn't misinterpret anything - you had a whiney temper tantrum that no one was engaging with you, so you said some extremely offensive things and got banned. These are the facts, and they are not disputed.


And I thought that temper tantrums wont be any more bizzar than the chatroom as it was prior to my entry. If you walk into the room full of ppl shouting at each other, then it is okay to shout. If you walk into the room where everyone is polite and calm, then shouting is off limits. So I misinterpretted the situation in the chat prior to my entry.

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In fact, you haven't done anything here to dispute that you didn't say these things, or didn't mean them - but rather that you are justified in saying hateful things about black people and gay people because that is what you believe.


I have stated that I was not against diversity as such but rather I was against the link between diversity and Asperger (I have in fact asked why not put diversity in other, non-aspie, chats). In other words, I was trying to defend aspies rather than just hate other groups for the hell of it.

Apart from that, I also made it clear that I normally dont use these words. I only used it in a chat environment to get attention. While its true that some of my "ideas" might be considered racist, I express said "ideas" without resorting to the insulting words.



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27 Nov 2012, 1:37 am

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I didnt read the rules. I rarely do, because usually they are lengthy and usually they all say the same thing blindly copied from other websites, and dont necesserely reflect the actual situation.


That sounds like *your* problem, not mine nor the mods in the chat.


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And I thought that temper tantrums wont be any more bizzar than the chatroom as it was prior to my entry. If you walk into the room full of ppl shouting at each other, then it is okay to shout. If you walk into the room where everyone is polite and calm, then shouting is off limits. So I misinterpretted the situation in the chat prior to my entry.


People were ignoring you because they were busy having their own conversations. This annoyed you - so you decided to say the most offensive thing you could come up with to force them to pay attention to you. Congratulations, it worked.

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I have stated that I was not against diversity as such but rather I was against the link between diversity and Asperger (I have in fact asked why not put diversity in other, non-aspie, chats). In other words, I was trying to defend aspies rather than just hate other groups for the hell of it.


I don't give a damn what you were against or not, you have stated that you believe you shouldn't have to be lumped together with n----rs and f----ts - and that you believe you have a right to say that. Everything else you've said on the matter is just lipstick on a pig. You deserved what you got, period. That really is the end of the discussion.


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27 Nov 2012, 2:47 am

Roman wrote:
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Roman wrote:
WardenWolf wrote:
People don't get banned from the chatroom without good reason, and, in most cases, without plenty of second chances.


Well I didn't get plenty of second chances.

Like I said by looking at the flow of a chat I couldnt immediately tell that racial slurs would be unwelcome there. The people looked VERY bizzar to me.

I mean maybe if I were more accustumed to the chats like this I would say "well they are well behaved they just have a leisurly conversation". But because I was not accustumed I just pictured a bunch of aggressive kids shouting at each other, so I figured I might as well shout too. In other words it was misinterpretation due to Asperger.


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Not welcome there? Really? Are you kidding me? No one likes racial slurs, you don't use them anywhere unless you want to get beaten up or get people very angry at you or kicked out of places and rejected and lose respect. It's not really a hidden rule you figure out because once you learn a word is bad and an insult and a hate speech and you then know to not ever use it because you have nothing against gays and black people. I am surprised someone wouldn't even know this.

You're lucky you only said them on the internet. All they could do was kick you out.


If you go to a bar with a bunch of drunk people, they are saying far worse things and get away with it. By the way one of the previous responders said that if they were to walk into the bar and curse at them the moment they enter they would be thrown out. Well I just learned something new I didnt know it before. I thought bars are all about being aggressive. But then again if i were to frequent bars I would have known. The problem is I never been to the bars before -- just like I never managed to participate in such chat rooms before -- which is why I cant really tell.



But you weren't drunk.


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27 Nov 2012, 3:34 am

Walked in on a giant flame-war...


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27 Nov 2012, 4:33 am

It's not a flame war. It's heated and one participant is not behaving in a rational fashion, but it is far from an actual flame war.

Roman, you don't seem any more likely to hear me than anyone else, but what you've posted here does indeed make you sound like a distinctly unpleasant person. Not in the socially clueless way that autistic people can irritate others, but in the deliberate choice to use hate speech to describe others whom you deem to be unlike and inferior to you.

You are also completely wrong about "diversity" never being used in any other context. It is frequently used in many contexts, whether autistic people are involved or not.

There is no defense for your behavior in the chat room nor in this thread.



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27 Nov 2012, 7:44 am

Roman wrote:
If you go to a bar with a bunch of drunk people, they are saying far worse things and get away with it. By the way one of the previous responders said that if they were to walk into the bar and curse at them the moment they enter they would be thrown out. Well I just learned something new I didnt know it before. I thought bars are all about being aggressive. But then again if i were to frequent bars I would have known. The problem is I never been to the bars before -- just like I never managed to participate in such chat rooms before -- which is why I cant really tell.


First of all, you were not in a bar. The analogy is utterly ridiculous.

Second, the analogy blows up in your own face. If you walked into any bar I've ever been in in my entire life and spewed the garbage you did in Chat, you WOULD MOST CERTAINLY BE THROWN OUT!! !! (And probably not without bodily harm I might add.)

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But then again if i were to frequent bars I would have known.


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...I never been to the bars...


So what you're saying is that you don't even know what the social rules are in bars, and if that's the case, what in the world are you doing using bars as an analogy for this, when you yourself have never even been to one?

Fourth, the way you're using this analogy to defend yourself, offers you no defense whatsoever. You are saying, in essence, "I don't have to follow the rules, because I don't know what the rules are."

And why don't you know what the rules are (a "fact," frankly I no longer believe at all)?

Roman wrote:
I didnt read the rules. I rarely do, because usually they are lengthy and usually they all say the same thing blindly copied from other websites, and dont necesserely reflect the actual situation.


So you chose not to read the rules, then claim ignorance of the rules because you chose not to read them. And you "did not understand" what would be unacceptable, because you had never been in Chat before.

That's what you would like us to believe eh?

Well I for one, am not buying your BS.

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...because usually they are lengthy and usually they all say the same thing blindly copied from other websites...


And you are correct. The often are.

The pertinent question is: How do you know that????

There can be only ONE answer to that question: Because you have read TOS, rules etc. on other sites, and the vast majority of Chat sites and forums do not tolerate racism.

CONCLUSION:

You knew EXACTLY what you were doing.

You KNEW it was a rule breaker.

You are attempting to play us all for fools by being disingenuous.

If you interpret the last statement to mean you are lying, I'm personally quite comfortable with that.


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