LGBT forum. Good thing for WP or just yet another subforum?

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15 Dec 2010, 6:34 pm

Yeah the PPR forum is a goo point. Of all the subforums on this site, that's the one which seems to isolate its regulars the most, from what I've noticed. that doesn't mean we should get rid of it though

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15 Dec 2010, 6:38 pm

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I know I'd find myself just posting in the gay forum.

fixed interests and that...

another interesting point about segregation its nice to expose gayness to all.

well course its nice to talk to other gay aspies,

share experiences.

Thank you for your input kiwi. As I've been around the gay scene alot I get this impression from many, which is why I like the fact that everyone is together here. I also agree with the exposure sentiment, how else are people with no contact going to accept?

I can see how it'd be nice to chat to other gay people and think it should be possible but just don't see how it can work here without losing from other forums.

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15 Dec 2010, 6:49 pm

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well, you could ask alex to use diferent criteria when evaluating how effective a subforum is. alex is making the final decision, and on the other thread he signalled his intention to create this subforum. our arguments are perhaps moot.

if you don't understand the importance of the women's subforum, i don't think that the importance of the LGBT subforum can really be explained to you. we have tried, and you have not listened to our answers.

about segregation... some people ONLY post in PPR, so should PPR be banished? it seems to segregate people, and we are not benefitting from some of of those user's input in other areas of the forum because they only post in that one place. plus, newbies are routinely given harsh treatment in PPR if they do not promote popular ideas, which yet another reason to eliminate it. and further, it doesn't even relate to asperger syndrome. so why keep a PPR forum?

really, a person could argue against almost every single subforum with the exception of maybe 4 or 5. WP is heading in the direction of more subforums and more inclusion of various diversities. that inclusion has meant that there are more subforums dealing with different issues too.

You're right about Alex's desicion, have been thinking just that but this thread was created afterwards which is why I posted initially.

To be frank, you've really not tried to explain the importance besides saying it's a place for respect and I'm sorry but nobody should be disrespected anywhere on here regarless of their gender, orientation or anything else, regardless of the forum they're in.

People may only post in PPR but they're not a loss to any other forum as they're not already in them, most are just argumentative types anyway. What I'm saying is LGBT will be taking valuable poster from other forums, something a gay aspie has confirmed here can easily happen.

My point is that LGBT are not excluded in the first place, so why do they need to be included now?

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15 Dec 2010, 6:49 pm

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kiwi wrote:

i consider it a better option than losing people to another forum like that one.

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15 Dec 2010, 6:50 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

Mark198423 wrote:

kiwi wrote:

i consider it a better option than losing people to another forum like that one.

Why would they be lost? He obviously posts in both.

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15 Dec 2010, 6:53 pm

Mark198423 wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

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kiwi wrote:

i consider it a better option than losing people to another forum like that one.

Why would they be lost? He obviously posts in both.

people may leave and go to that forum if they do not feel welcome here.

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15 Dec 2010, 6:57 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

people may leave and go to that forum if they do not feel welcome here.

Why would they feel unwelcome here? You're LGBT, do you feel unwelome?

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15 Dec 2010, 7:05 pm

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hyperlexian wrote:

i don't consider that to be a reason why PPR people would not be an asset elsewhere.

reasons for having a GLBT forum (all of which i named before):

-attracts new users (aspie and not)
-inclusiveness
-easier to search applicable threads

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-place to meet other GLBT people

there are probably as many reasons as there are GLBT people

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15 Dec 2010, 7:23 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

i don't consider that to be a reason why PPR people would not be an asset elsewhere.

If they only came to use PPR then they were never a part of any other forum so having PPR doesn't take anything away from elsewhere. You're analogy's to any existing forum beside's Women's don't make sense.

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reasons for having a GLBT forum (all of which i named before):

-attracts new users (aspie and not)
-inclusiveness
-easier to search applicable threads

-Bringing non-aspie LGBT's into the forum would create more of a reason for LGBT aspie's to remain in there.
-They are not currently excluded.
-There are few things not applicable to everyone, besides coming out and trans issues. Hopefully the search will be better when they update the site too!

hyperlexian wrote:

also:

-place to meet other GLBT people

there are probably as many reasons as there are GLBT people

-There's not a specific place for others to meet on this site, so why for LGBT members?
-Overstatement of the decade award goes to....

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15 Dec 2010, 7:30 pm

Mark198423 wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

i don't consider that to be a reason why PPR people would not be an asset elsewhere.

hyperlexian wrote:

reasons for having a GLBT forum (all of which i named before):

-attracts new users (aspie and not)
-inclusiveness
-easier to search applicable threads

hyperlexian wrote:

also:

-place to meet other GLBT people

there are probably as many reasons as there are GLBT people

-There's not a specific place for others to meet on this site, so why for LGBT members?
-Overstatement of the decade award goes to....

you wanted reasons, so i gave mine. i think they are legitimate, whether you agree with them or not. i won't defend them as they stand pretty well on their own. i didn't really expect you to understand, anyway.

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15 Dec 2010, 7:40 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression from your posts elsewhere that you live a hetrosexual family life? If that's the case then you'd have much in common with straight people so maybe would post elsewhere, like Volodja, who would be there for trans issues but post elsewhere. But I know that many wouldn't, I'm pretty certain that it would be a mojority that wouldn't too. I'd say about 5% of the LGBT people I know would go into a straight bar before a gay one if they were side by side, even knowing there would be no issues with homophobia and when they're not on the market for a partner. As I've said previously, I agree with a seperate place if their is bullying and prejudice but when there's not, why do it?

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15 Dec 2010, 7:46 pm

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hyperlexian wrote:

ehm, not going into that. let's just say that you don't actually know very much about my sex life.

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15 Dec 2010, 7:53 pm

hyperlexian wrote:

ehm, not going into that. let's just say that you don't actually know very much about my sex life.

No I don't, and I'm not asking you to divulge. The only reason I made that reference was because I thought you had a husband and maybe kid(s)? Therefore, day to day a hetro family life. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I don't mean anything by it, just an observation that I thought would lead to things in common with other hetro relationships. I think TeaEarlGreyHot (think that's her name, sorry to bring you up without knowing you by the way) is in that position and she another that I think would probably post everywhere too, what I'm saying is many others wouldn't and it would take stuff away from other forums.

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07 Jan 2011, 11:02 pm

Mark198423 wrote:

Why would they be lost? He obviously posts in both.

I know I've drifted away from some forums because I've been on too many to be active on. I've found I can only be active on maybe 2 forum sites. If I try to be active on more, I will end up drifting away from one or more, until I end up back on just 2. Note that unless looking for something specific, I don't generally pay attention to the categories, just look at the recent posts on the forum and threads I have subscribed to. (I subscribe to any thread I posted in by default)

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11 Jan 2011, 10:30 pm

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt147919.html

What about the comments made by the OP in the above recent link -- homosexuality as some kind of communist plot, on par with "drugs, drinking and other dead end roads"? Misconceptions, gay bashing and prejudice abound in WP!

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12 Jan 2011, 12:47 am

I think that guy got banned ^

Bit of a nutcase anyway

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