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31 Jul 2020, 10:14 am

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Devils Advocate: The Fnord issue ? has been resolved: he has changed , quit , been banned , whatever , use your imagination...
I have?  When did that happen?  Why was I not informed?


Facetiouness aside what is the biggest problem here ?


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31 Jul 2020, 10:14 am

Well, that was easy...


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31 Jul 2020, 10:27 am

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It is not bullying to correct other people's false beliefs, their fallacious reasoning, or their improper use of the English language.  Some people just cannot stand to be corrected.
So your saying your the expert on what is reasoning-very arrogant!
I neither stated nor implied that; you inferred it.
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Your the god source for true belief-even more arrogant!
Your statement lacks any basis in reality.
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Correcting a small spelling or grammar mistake just to invalidate a point you don't want to hear,people with good grammar and good verbal communication skills never learn anything,because they use every persons communication difficulties to ignore what they don't want to hear.
Sweeping generalizations tend to make entire arguments invalid.
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Your only hurting yourself there.
No, I'm only watching others dig themselves deeper.
Believe what you want Fnord,I think you know the truth.
Oh, I really DO know the truth.  That's why I do not need to defend myself.
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I will argue with you no further,I can't change your mind,do it your way, whatever. :?
Thank you for your most gracious concession.  Have a nice day!

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You know what my words meant and you are perverting context to make my words something they were not.And you know that in your heart.

By you know the truth,you know I meant that you know you are a bully.


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31 Jul 2020, 10:29 am

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By you know the truth,you know I meant that you know you are a bully.
But it's done without breaking the rules. So it's ok. :roll:



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31 Jul 2020, 10:30 am

I don't think we will get anywhere by singling out individuals because what we are looking for is ways to make this a more friendly place. What we are doing in this discussion is not helping things much and is more likely to divide rather then unite.
Sure we all have weaknesses, but lets draw on our strengths.

Something I was impressed with about this site is the ability and the freedom to ask questions which if I asked on other sites I would be soon pounced on. This site is more tollerent in that way.

Something negative that does need to change is in regards to direct insults against world leaders. If one said "I don't like what he or she does so I am not voting for him or her" tnen fair enough. Even the leader in power will respect this.
But what I have seen on this site in direct attacks against both political leaders and the opposition, I really feel like going up to whoever the leader is or whoever, and comforting them and apologizing for this attack. No political thread should directly insult a leader. I feel like saying (And I have done in the past to people) "If you feel like that, then get off your backside and stand for election.. If you don't want to do this then keep your trap shut!" (I don't care what the leaders have done. If you don't like it don't talk. Do something. At least the current leaders did not sit back and had the guts to do something about it!).
Lets respect all our leaders even though some do horrible things. Why do they do horrible things? Because that is how they have thought to deal with a tough problem (Whatever it may be). Now if you have a better answer, go up and stand for election. Show the people another way! Who knows. You may change the world!

But going back to this site, I think that only one concept is needed. It is a combination of love and respect for others despite their weaknesses. If we can do this, then this site will really shine.



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31 Jul 2020, 10:40 am

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By you know the truth,you know I meant that you know you are a bully.
But it's done without breaking the rules. So it's ok. :roll:


How can you be a bully here but not break forum rules?


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31 Jul 2020, 10:44 am

I think I should be a mod, as I do spend a lot of time on WP and I don't think I would miss hardly anything.


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31 Jul 2020, 10:46 am

Alex_2x4 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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Devils Advocate: The Fnord issue ? has been resolved: he has changed , quit , been banned , whatever , use your imagination...
I have?  When did that happen?  Why was I not informed?


Facetiouness aside what is the biggest problem here ?


People not understanding that PPR is a place of debate. There should really be a pop up disclaimer every time you enter that subforum that you viewpoint may attract dissenting opinions.



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31 Jul 2020, 11:08 am

Feyokien wrote:
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Devils Advocate: The Fnord issue ? has been resolved: he has changed , quit , been banned , whatever , use your imagination...
I have?  When did that happen?  Why was I not informed?


Facetiouness aside what is the biggest problem here ?


People not understanding that PPR is a place of debate. There should really be a pop up disclaimer every time you enter that subforum that you viewpoint may attract dissenting opinions.


I just looked at the last 3 pages of reports and apart from Fnord which has been solved :wink: it's sickpuppets or what appears to be the left attacking the right with slurs not dissenting opinions .


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31 Jul 2020, 11:10 am

A good society should be evaluated according to the extent that it protects and supports its most vulnerable and fragile, in my humble opinion.

The most vulnerable do not always seem to be protected here. Stronger, combative members should never be allowed to trample the vulnerable just because they can, whether intentionally or not.

Sometimes sensitivity and compassion are far more valuable qualities than intellect.

Perhaps it would be possible for certain strong-minded members to avoid threads where the vulnerable members are expressing themselves. When the balance of power is unequal then bullying inevitably occurs and I am sure members here have had their fill of that elsewhere.

I think all forums here should be a haven, that's the whole point isn't it??? Some of us just aren't as resilient as others and a person is not weak or defective just because they are less functional or they weren't blessed with effective coping skills. Some of us become abrasive and obtuse in adversity, others are vulnerable and fragile and some are lucky enough to survive terrible hardship and still remain empathetic, compassionate and functional.


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31 Jul 2020, 11:12 am

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I think I should be a mod, as I do spend a lot of time on WP and I don't think I would miss hardly anything.


Tell us what you'd do to make WP better if you were a mod.


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31 Jul 2020, 11:13 am

Thank you to all those who have made positive suggestions. The last thing someone needs is to find this a place where they're just as dismissed as might be the case in real life or on "regular" social platforms.

Not mentioning any names but I have an idea a certain member here may be changing his ways and moderating his attitude. Time will soon tell!

@MG: we have at least one member on here whom I'm aware of who has in fact been an electoral candidate. There might be more...


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31 Jul 2020, 11:20 am

Alex_2x4 wrote:
I just looked at the last 3 pages of reports and apart from Fnord which has been solved :wink: it's sickpuppets or what appears to be the left attacking the right with slurs not dissenting opinions .


If you're referring to the mod report thread, my understanding is that 'left' is two individuals that have made provocative remarks and one of those individuals is not even on the left, but rather center right. That is my perspective anyways.

Are sockpuppets really an issue, seem kinda funny :P

I think there is also some simmering bad blood from events that occurred in the past between current long time members.



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31 Jul 2020, 11:24 am

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The most vulnerable do not always seem to be protected here. Stronger, combative members should never be allowed to trample the vulnerable just because they can, whether intentionally or not.


But why is that ? if there are rules in place to stop trampling of vulnerable members ?


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31 Jul 2020, 11:28 am

Alex_2x4 wrote:
Steve1963 wrote:
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By you know the truth,you know I meant that you know you are a bully.
But it's done without breaking the rules. So it's ok. :roll:


How can you be a bully here but not break forum rules?

In real life,do you need to break the law to hurt someone?
If someone can hurt people on WP with technically breaking a rule,that makes them if anything,more dangerous.


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31 Jul 2020, 11:33 am

The rules are in place in order to protect users from abusive behaviour. Mood attention thread or PMs are best, as the general reports tend to get lost in the "laundry heap" as the mods being few can't always see them in good time to deal with swiftly.

It doesn't necessarily have to break a rule - discretion can be used.

Re swastikas: Hitler actually "hijacked" an ancient Hindu religious symbol. They don't look quite the same, but swastikas are quite an acceptable symbol in India and can be seen in some temples there. The Nazis gave the symbol a bad name but were too lazy to come up with something more original.


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