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23 May 2008, 5:24 am

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I think this thread is getting out of hand here by now.


Yes it is. I've noticed that there are people on WP who start what they know will be controversial threads, and then when the thread produces controversy, or when responders go on the attack, the thread originator cries foul. I'm sure there is an internet term for the behavior, but I am old and still not that familiar with the lingo.

When I was a kid, there was a fellow in our church who was constantly witnessing to the "unsaved." He baited people and then would argue and argue. He loved it. Unfortunately, he couldn't get along with the employees of the factory where he worked, and he was so obnoxious that no one would work with him. He thought that he was being persecuted for the faith, but in reality he was just a boorish, angry man. He would have had much more opportunity to influence people if he had been able to stop the constant baiting and arguing.

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23 May 2008, 5:33 am

Zonder wrote:
I've noticed that there are people on WP who start what they know will be controversial threads, and then when the thread produces controversy, or when responders go on the attack, the thread originator cries foul. I'm sure there is an internet term for the behavior, but I am old and still not that familiar with the lingo.


Trolling. And people who do it are trolls.

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When I was a kid, there was a fellow in our church who was constantly witnessing to the "unsaved." He baited people and then would argue and argue. He loved it. Unfortunately, he couldn't get along with the employees of the factory where he worked, and he was so obnoxious that no one would work with him. He thought that he was being persecuted for the faith, but in reality he was just a boorish, angry man. He would have had much more opportunity to influence people if he had been able to stop the constant baiting and arguing.


Sounds like just the sort of person I'd gladly break the fingers of. On both hands.


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23 May 2008, 7:27 am

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Trolling. And people who do it are trolls.


Ah, I had heard the term before but didn't know what it meant.

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Sounds like just the sort of person I'd gladly break the fingers of. On both hands.


Personally, I'd rather find a large cork and effectively place it somewhere. Breaking fingers is more martyr-syndrome-producing than a cork.

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23 May 2008, 10:26 am

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Zonder wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Are we not to defend our faith? Here I defend the right to be open about our faith and question the legitimacy of some members being treated unequally. You quatermass, et al, try all this derision and holding me to a higher standard. Even claiming that it is Biblical.


Are you defending Christian faith, or your hurt feelings? Perhaps you have picked an inappropriate platform on which to take a stand for the faith.

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I am defending the Christian Faith and the right to freedom of speech for all.


there is nothing wrong with that, but there will be always be idiots who think other wise. Christ as far as I know (I am not christian, but he was an interesting person)kept going throuigh all the crap he recieved, he dealt with it. Their are crazy atheists, there are crazy christians, you can find a crazy side to any argument. I myself hate the comments of richard dawkins and people alike, but I also do not like to hear evangelicals tell me I will go to hell for not reading the bible. Maybe you could star a a site or advocate for religious tolerance?


I don't have any money, but it would be a nice idea.



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23 May 2008, 11:18 am

Quatermass wrote:
Zonder wrote:
When I was a kid, there was a fellow in our church who was constantly witnessing to the "unsaved." He baited people and then would argue and argue. He loved it. Unfortunately, he couldn't get along with the employees of the factory where he worked, and he was so obnoxious that no one would work with him. He thought that he was being persecuted for the faith, but in reality he was just a boorish, angry man. He would have had much more opportunity to influence people if he had been able to stop the constant baiting and arguing.


Sounds like just the sort of person I'd gladly break the fingers of. On both hands.

Actually, it sounds like a certain poster here who has to bring religion into each and every thread... :x


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23 May 2008, 12:11 pm

That's delusional.



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23 May 2008, 12:18 pm

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I first want to define three terms:

1. Theist: someone who accepts Christ, G-d, Allah, a god, or gods.

2. Non-Theist: someone who doesn't accept the supernatural, but it isn't a big deal to them.

3. Miso-Theist: someone who hates God or religion in general and Crusades/Jihads against it at any cost everywhere they go.


The main focus of this thread is with Miso-Theists. These people desire to rid the world of the pathology of religion; they are truly the thought-police of many forums. It's not just that they view religion as wrong, but they absolutely hate it and want to get rid of it. And for them the end justifies the means.

Attacking people personally and generally, they go about entire forums of the internet seeking to cleanse the cyberscape of this enemy of theirs. Religion must die! They find their way everywhere, not just in PPR for the battle ranges all over.

Christianity and religious topics are generally relegated to the PPR section. People find it offensive. It clutters. No one wants it. The same is true of the misotheistic attacks. They should be relegated to PPR. If religious Aspies are equal members, then we shouldn't have to be constantly be defending our faiths on virtually any topic a misotheist deems appropriate.

In fact, people who go out of their way to attack the beliefs of others, should they be allowed to do so freely? Should they go unpunished? I distinguish here between a discussion and an attack. A discussion is solicited and the conversation is respectful of all parties.

What do I say ought to be done? These misotheists should not be allowed to freely roam and attack everywhere they please. How that is done is not my concern. I just want equality of treatment for all Aspies.



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23 May 2008, 12:19 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
That's delusional.

What's delusional?


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23 May 2008, 12:20 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
That's delusional.

What's delusional?


Icheb's post.



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23 May 2008, 2:51 pm

Icheb wrote:
Quatermass wrote:
Zonder wrote:
When I was a kid, there was a fellow in our church who was constantly witnessing to the "unsaved." He baited people and then would argue and argue. He loved it. Unfortunately, he couldn't get along with the employees of the factory where he worked, and he was so obnoxious that no one would work with him. He thought that he was being persecuted for the faith, but in reality he was just a boorish, angry man. He would have had much more opportunity to influence people if he had been able to stop the constant baiting and arguing.


Sounds like just the sort of person I'd gladly break the fingers of. On both hands.

Actually, it sounds like a certain poster here who has to bring religion into each and every thread... :x


Religion IS in each and every thread.
Sometimes people recognize it, and sometimes they don't.
But bringing its presence to people's attention is simply
helping people by telling the truth.
We have enough liars on the forum, that the truth tellers should be appreciated,
whatever truths they are telling.


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23 May 2008, 3:17 pm

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Religion IS in each and every thread.
Sometimes people recognize it, and sometimes they don't.
But bringing its presence to people's attention is simply
helping people by telling the truth.
We have enough liars on the forum, that the truth tellers should be appreciated,
whatever truths they are telling.

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
That's delusional.

:wink:


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23 May 2008, 3:37 pm

greenblue wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Religion IS in each and every thread.
Sometimes people recognize it, and sometimes they don't.
But bringing its presence to people's attention is simply
helping people by telling the truth.
We have enough liars on the forum, that the truth tellers should be appreciated,
whatever truths they are telling.

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
That's delusional.

:wink:


Chronological juxtapositioning is invalid.



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23 May 2008, 3:50 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Religion IS in each and every thread.
Sometimes people recognize it, and sometimes they don't.
But bringing its presence to people's attention is simply
helping people by telling the truth.
We have enough liars on the forum, that the truth tellers should be appreciated,
whatever truths they are telling.

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
That's delusional.

:wink:


Chronological juxtapositioning is invalid.

Of course, I'm not trying to convince him that you replied to him, obviously, nobody would see that. But I think it does have some irony.


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23 May 2008, 4:33 pm

greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Religion IS in each and every thread.
Sometimes people recognize it, and sometimes they don't.
But bringing its presence to people's attention is simply
helping people by telling the truth.
We have enough liars on the forum, that the truth tellers should be appreciated,
whatever truths they are telling.

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
That's delusional.

:wink:


Chronological juxtapositioning is invalid.

Of course, I'm not trying to convince him that you replied to him, obviously, nobody would see that. But I think it does have some irony.


The "each and every" rhetoric was what I was referring to as delusional. Ragtime is right that our belief systems are found in everything we say and do. It is sad that some belief systems are restricted to few places or disallowed, whilst the diametric is allowed to be flaunted anywhere.



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24 May 2008, 9:34 am

I actually think religion owes a lot to its detractors, particularly its most virulent and vociferous ones, because it attracts attention. When I see/hear/read it I unconsciously think, what is it causing all this fuss? Why are people getting so angry?

I am, like many people, ( which is why the "News" on TV etc is full of stories of danger, death, and destruction), almost never attracted to discussions full of peace and love. The almost constant slanging matches going on on PPR over the winter got me interested in religion again.

Be thankful for the attention "misotheists" pay to religious beliefs; it is very good publicity.

It is, as I said on another thread already, like seeing birds wheeling over a spot in the desert; it is intriguing.

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