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28 Sep 2019, 3:49 pm

I have received numerous warnings from a mod (TheWalrus) who has pretty much the opposite political views to me. I got a temporary ban for criticising Israel though accusing Russia of literally anything seems ok. I recently got a warning for calling another member "clueless" about a certain subject when the member was accusing 17.4 million British people of voting to leave the EU because of racism. The member in question and others who all have the same political views as the mod have accused me of hating America, being a white supremacist, hating Israel, being a Trump lover, a conspiracy theorist and told me I need to get laid.

I've not seen any of these members get a warning or be banned.

Should someone with such extreme liberal views and someone with an agenda who can't be neutral because of their radical views and bias be a moderator? Especially on a site for people on the spectrum. There are different rules for different people depending on your political views.


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28 Sep 2019, 4:36 pm

This is why I stay out of politics on the internet. People have different views, and in a politically correct culture we live in, it's impossible to not offend someone with our views. I stay well away from the PPR subforum. That corner of WP is nothing but trouble.


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29 Sep 2019, 7:48 am

You have received five official warnings from four different moderators.

Your first warning was from me in October 2016:

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Please don't make racist comments like suggesting that non-white people are not British. These are against WrongPlanet's rules. Any more of this and you will be banned.


Your second warning was from Adam in January 2017:
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Please refrain from making sweeping generalizations about ethnic groups including Jews. These break the site rules on offensive language. Your post "Oh OK white privilege only exists in the US where Jews are the most privileged ethnic group? Remind me, how much are the US in debt?" breaks that rule. Please don't post in that way again.


Your third warning was from Boo in September 2017:
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Please don't post personal attacks such as "
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That's what a closed mind and ignorance will do for ya.
Thanks.


You were then banned by me for anti-Semitism in February 2018 after you said that Israel controls the media and covers up its involvement in 9/11, which is about as obvious a case of anti-Semitism as you can get. (This was a bit of a mess - I forgot to hit "confirm" and so you weren't banned straight away; when I noticed that you weren't banned a week or two later, I shortened your ban so you were unbanned at the time you should have been)

You then received a fourth warning from environzentinal in July:
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You're getting petty and personal in your Mueller thread. Keep to opinions and facts please. Otherwise you will get a well earned break.


Finally, in September you got this warning from me:
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Please don't make personal attacks like the following:

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Kraichgauer wrote:
All for the stupidity of nationalism.


You're utterly clueless. Try to just listen to people who actually know what they are talking about.


As for other people - most mod activity is generalised public warnings. Usually you can't tell when another user has been warned privately, in this case I'm just proving that you aren't being targeted and that your warnings are for behaviour which breaks WrongPlanet rules.



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29 Sep 2019, 8:50 am

Although I disagree with John on almost everything and I can't condone the posts by him given in quotes by the Walrus.I have not seen any negative or hostile posts by him recently and he seems to me to be a fair debater and if anything I have seen him being picked on by other members in various threads.I have even thrown him a few sarcastic remarks but all in all John Powell seems like a decent guy a a fair and legit poster and I enjoy his posts very much despite not always agreeing with him.

No disrespect to the moderators intended but I thought I should stick up for John


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29 Sep 2019, 11:04 am

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Unfair targeting by a Mod...
Racism can never be “unfairly” targeted.

You are one of the more intelligent people on this website. Please put that intelligence to better use than submitting racist posts.

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29 Sep 2019, 12:39 pm

In both undercover Al Jazeera documentaries about the Israel lobby, Israel's paid spies boasted about having control over the media. In the UK version, the man from the Israeli Embassy said he could "create a scandal in the media" about Sir Alan Duncan after Duncan was critical of Israel. I provided documentation of the Israelis who were arrested. So you banned me for telling the truth. You also equated Israel with "the Jews" which is anti-Semitic under the International Working Definition of antisemitism. So you ought to give yourself a warning. Israel is a state. I'm not attacking Arabs when I attack the rancid Saudi regime and talking about their involvement in 9/11.


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29 Sep 2019, 12:39 pm

And thanks for the kind words.


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29 Sep 2019, 2:11 pm

I think Walrus is dead wrong about the comments in question being anti-semitic. That's utter nonsense. Even if I don't agree with everything John says, I don't believe for one second that he's anti-semitic or racist.

To be honest -- and I'm always painfully honest, right or wrong -- I don't think Walrus is impartial enough to be a moderator. I think he's a good guy, but that's my opinion.


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29 Sep 2019, 3:01 pm

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accused me of hating America, being a white supremacist, hating Israel, being a Trump lover, a conspiracy theorist and told me I need to get laid.

On this point:

- the user who accused you of hating America was warned for it
- I haven't seen the post telling you that you need to get laid but that would deserve a warning
- the other things would depend on context. At least two of them are fair and objective descriptions of your views but could still be abusive in certain contexts. One of them is the mirror opposite of that. Finally, accusing you of being a Trump lover is largely inaccurate but whether it is abusive or not depends on context.

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I think Walrus is dead wrong about the comments in question being anti-semitic. That's utter nonsense.

You think it is "nonsense" to say that John's belief that Israel was behind 9/11 - demonstrably false, and based on four men being falsely arrested and then released without charge - is anti-Semitic? It is indefensibly anti-Semitic to the bone.

I know John is your friend but please try to be objective.



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29 Sep 2019, 3:32 pm

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JohnPowell wrote:
accused me of hating America, being a white supremacist, hating Israel, being a Trump lover, a conspiracy theorist and told me I need to get laid.

On this point:

- the user who accused you of hating America was warned for it
- I haven't seen the post telling you that you need to get laid but that would deserve a warning
- the other things would depend on context. At least two of them are fair and objective descriptions of your views but could still be abusive in certain contexts. One of them is the mirror opposite of that. Finally, accusing you of being a Trump lover is largely inaccurate but whether it is abusive or not depends on context.

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I think Walrus is dead wrong about the comments in question being anti-semitic. That's utter nonsense.

You think it is "nonsense" to say that John's belief that Israel was behind 9/11 - demonstrably false, and based on four men being falsely arrested and then released without charge - is anti-Semitic? It is indefensibly anti-Semitic to the bone.

I know John is your friend but please try to be objective.


Only cause I made the point, where as you go hunting to warn people you do not like or disagree with. Fnord isn't the only user who said it, the same user who tells me I need to get laid has told me I hate America probably about 100 times. He's told me I need to get laid around 20 times. They aren't fair And objective as I know my views, you just agree with the description because of your own massive bias.

I didn't say they were behind 9/11 as far as I remember just pointing out the involvement. And that's more falsehoods. They were sent back to Israel on visa violations after pressure from the government but had been positively identified seen at the towers they were celebrating at, there were pictures taken of them celebrating holding up lighters like they were at a rock concert and they all failed lie detector tests and had traces of explosives in their van. Saudis were also released back without charge. But stating that fact doesn't mean I hate Arabs.
Someone's own bias and radical views should not dictate what is truth.


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29 Sep 2019, 3:34 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
JohnPowell wrote:
accused me of hating America, being a white supremacist, hating Israel, being a Trump lover, a conspiracy theorist and told me I need to get laid.

On this point:

- the user who accused you of hating America was warned for it
- I haven't seen the post telling you that you need to get laid but that would deserve a warning
- the other things would depend on context. At least two of them are fair and objective descriptions of your views but could still be abusive in certain contexts. One of them is the mirror opposite of that. Finally, accusing you of being a Trump lover is largely inaccurate but whether it is abusive or not depends on context.

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I think Walrus is dead wrong about the comments in question being anti-semitic. That's utter nonsense.

You think it is "nonsense" to say that John's belief that Israel was behind 9/11 - demonstrably false, and based on four men being falsely arrested and then released without charge - is anti-Semitic? It is indefensibly anti-Semitic to the bone.

I know John is your friend but please try to be objective.


Nope. It's merely a a correct or incorrect statement about the actions of a government. It is not an anti-semitic statement. Again, this is why you shouldn't be a mod here. I've made all kinds of statements about the actions of the American government, but, right or wrong, does not make me "anti-American."

You're smarter than this. Please don't be afraid to admit you made a bad decision.


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29 Sep 2019, 3:34 pm

Saying that someone just repeating a case of men involved in a crime from a foreign state is racist "to the bone" is beyond ridiculous and defies reality.


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29 Sep 2019, 3:53 pm

Also you must know what kind of implications there are when you can someone anti-Semitic "to the bone". How is that not against the rules either?


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29 Sep 2019, 4:45 pm

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Nope. It's merely a a correct or incorrect statement about the actions of a government. It is not an anti-semitic statement. Again, this is why you shouldn't be a mod here. I've made all kinds of statements about the actions of the American government, but, right or wrong, does not make me "anti-American."

You're smarter than this. Please don't be afraid to admit you made a bad decision.

Correct, I am. That's precisely why I am a moderator. I know a lot about things and am prepared to research them when I don't, I am capable of considering the implications of words beyond their surface meanings, I stay objective when making decisions, and I show an appreciation for context and nuance.

Why, of all the countries in the world, single out the one Jewish-majority country? That is antisemitism. Don't believe me? Ask the Anti-Defamation League (https://www.adl.org/blog/anti-semitic-9 ... er-attacks) or consult the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's working definition of antisemitism. Pay particular attention to "Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis."

In this regard there are clear differences between Israel and America - it's more like if someone said all Muslim countries are savage, or all African countries are "s**tholes", or saying that the German government are Nazis. If you take a stereotype about a group ("Jews are plotting against us") and then quietly decide to just apply it to the nation(s) associated with that group ("Israel is plotting against us") then you're still being racist. You can, of course, offer legitimate criticism of the Israeli government, but "Israel did 9/11" is not "legitimate criticism", it is the classic antisemitic trope of blaming Jews for bad things.

I have evidenced comprehensively and robustly, that John's warnings do not constitute "targeting", are not "unfair", and are not the result of a vendetta by an individual moderator. His complaints are demonstrably groundless. I believe that is clear to any objective observer. If the other mods wish to disagree with any of my decisions then we can reconsider them. However, I would be surprised if any of the decisions proved remotely controversial. They are some of the most clear-cut decisions I have had to make.

The discussion about antisemitism is over. Anyone who repeats the conspiracy theory that Israel is behind 9/11 will be breaking WrongPlanet rules, and that is not up for public discussion.



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29 Sep 2019, 4:56 pm

I just refuted your claims and yet you make more antisemitic remarks conflating Israel with "the Jews" and strawman arguments. And you defame me with the same false claims. And cite the ADL :lol: The ignorance on this issue is beyond belief. And spouting Israeli propaganda of 'Why just focus on us" is very telling. The apartheid regime in South Africa used the exact same tactic. But I don't think anyone tried to make such a garbage claim that pointing out their racism or disgusting behaviour was anti-white.

It's clear that truth is being criminalized so I won't mention it on this site. Pretty disgraceful that it happens on a site for those on the spectrum. Silencing aspies to protect a criminal state.


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30 Sep 2019, 3:37 am

It seems like this is the third thread in recent history saying the same things. Are there any threads like this about the others, not to mention a series of them? I think that just in itself says enough.