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Same forum, different topic - what determines the rules in the Adult forum? As while at times it seems to be given fair latitude, I've seen two threads locked today that, compared to others observed therein, were relatively benign. The one that really surprised me was part humor, part practical explanation of differences... and no explanation provided. Other threads on the same topic, even containing the identical content are left untouched. It is quite disappointing; if it's all subjective and in secret, then there isn't much point in me remaining here.


M.

when Alex locks a thread, he locks a thread. It is his site, M. and he rarely explains himself when he does his own modding.

Alex is firm about not mentioning excretory functions, or sexual fetishes. You can see that on his rules that he has posted (08/08/08 ) on almost every thread.

as it discusses sexual fetish; and discussion of excretory function.

1. Posting offensive language, comments, video, or images.
Unacceptable content includes swearing; racist, sexist, homophobic language; behavior intended to provoke or belittle other members; violent or sexually demeaning content; sexual fetish; and discussion of excretory function. Posting graphic images or videos of people or animals being harmed is prohibited.


Merle
who would miss your great posts if you left, M.

Wonderful - then implement the rules consistently and across the board. Period. [edit] I appreciate that, Merle, but if this is going to be haphazard and half-assed, where one thread is locked at random while myriad others remain... however unfair it may be, I have expectations in life. Avoiding selective enforcement is something I feel strongly about, because it means base discrimination is occurring, even if it only in terms of thought and words. And while I understand that this is Alex's project and domain, I also feel that at some point things grow beyond possessions and whims; without systems and balance then it loses value and meaning, at least for me.

Technically, I'm already in violation because I am discussing a locked thread... *fume* Warn me or whatever it is that needs be done as a result. *shakes head* I'm sorry, but the ToS is poorly written and poorly enforced. Either rewrite or keep up, but don't post one thing and do another. Not directed at you, Merle - I'm just incredibly disappointed and angry, especially to be considering leaving the one site I'm active on. [/edit]


M.

Last edited by makuranososhi on 09 Aug 2008, 2:11 pm, edited 2 times in total.

To whom are you addressing your ultimatum? The owner of the board? The volunteer moderators ? do you have some software that can do that for us? How do you suggest we implement the rules consistently across the board?

Merle

No ultimatum. Just my own personal standards and expectations. Moderation should be involved actively, looking for issues; those with that responsibility do have an obligation to maintain order and adherence. Since the adult forum is in vast violation, I would suggest starting there. Either there needs to be a system, a result of complaint and response, or complete and focused implementation. Otherwise, it's just a petty playground in my opinion.


M.

well, somepeople play in petty playgrounds and some people avoid them. It is a choice each poster and reader makes.

Merle

Fair enough - but when a third party shuts down a playground they aren't playing in because they don't like the toys of those at play, then perhaps I need to go elsewhere. Your argument can be applied to either side here, SB. It isn't a hard concept, in my mind - why have rules if they aren't enforced? If it is solely at the discretion of one or few, then this isn't the environment I believed it was.


M.

You have to be at least 17, if Im correct, to enter to the adult forum, so, there you go.

I am just curious to know which rules are being violated in the adult forum?


The thing is that our own personal standards might make some uncomfortable in the adult area, I can understand that, but those are not necessarily linked to the rules on this site, I could say that the rules are written for people in general terms, not for individual preferences.

Rules on subject matter are frequently broken there without comment or censure; yet some are without complaint or explanation. My standards are in regards to rule enforcement, not morality. If we're going to have rules, then I think we either re-examine them or enforce them... arbitrary function only aggravates and discriminates. I know my tastes are outside the norms; generally don't bring them up unless already current or asked directly - thankfully I have learned to bite my tongue at least in some areas - but have strong feelings on unequal implementation.


M.

Every forum you mean, instead of every thread?

Something interesting is, what exactly is a sexual fetish?
I think I kinda see some of makuranossohi's point here, how can we establish what sexual fetishes are acceptable or if all fetishes are not acceptable, then what can we define as sexual fetish, to avoid posting them? I have seen in the past (have not been in the adult forum recently that much) that fetishes were freely discussed, so there is some of acceptable confusion in that small aspect.

Example: Sticks and stones may break my bones, but whips and chains excite me.

Technically, it addresses a fetish topic; is this off-color? How does one ascertain the error, if the topic is inconsistently forbidden? What response is warranted? Just a lot of grey areas, and while I love the color - I hate it as a state of being. Part of the ToS forbids discussion of locked posts and banned users... while dredging through a mess isn't a good idea, it seems to be an extreme reaction, likely from an earlier event (in teaching, many of these rules get inadvertently created over the years) which was not returned to. It is an uncomfortable position, because due to the phrasing in the ToS, I would guess that perhaps as much as 10% of content is not allowed [edit] (should be up to 10% of threads affected, not overall posts - that is very rough estimate based on page one scans [/edit], depending on the subjective views of the person evaluating. The process is obscured, not transparent, so questions remain. While I know it isn't a democracy, and would be somewhat afeared of it as such, there should be a degree of communication that seems missing.


M.