Do aspies have a learning disability?

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12 May 2008, 3:03 pm

in case you hadn't noticed my tone I was just being funny...it's not like I swore at people. still some opinions are worthless like that comment on "nettiquette"...i shall ignore you.



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12 May 2008, 3:06 pm

Stimshieme wrote:
in case you hadn't noticed my tone I was just being funny...it's not like I swore at people. still some opinions are worthless like that comment on "nettiquette"...i shall ignore you.


Nothing in your post indicated any sort of humorous "tone" over the Internet. Nothing in my reply had anything to do with swearing, but screaming, which is not the same thing.



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16 May 2008, 9:58 am

Foreign languages are the thing for me. They've kicked my butt at every level, with one exception: an online-only Spanish course where I could learn most of the materially visually, and use the textbook on tests (though time limits were short so this benefit was limited).



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01 Jun 2008, 12:31 am

I have issues with English, and read at roughly 100 words per minute (with the average being about 250-300wpm), but it's more natural inclination towards math/vs english rather than a learning disability.



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05 Jun 2008, 5:20 pm

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I have a hude problem with maths and science. The weird part is, I understand, intuitivly, insanely deep levels of theoretical physics and such. But I caint do basic algebra. So, all my teachers think I'm lazy. And it's not that I know what I'm talking about, it's like, the knowledge is just... there. I just KNOW it. But doing it? Completly different.


Same with me.

I've got a learning difficult that has no specific name, it's just a trait of Asperger's I've got. I need help with organisation, starting my homework and visual aid as I find it difficult to learn without visual aids opposed to listening and I've got extremely poor organisation skills - to the point where teachers think I'm being lazy or naughty.

I once went to a teacher (my form tutor, to be exact) after a term or so of secondary school. I was crying with anxiety because of how much pressure I flet because of all the Set 1 (highest ability class, basically) I was getting, as I was in all classes. She just told me to suck it up and get one with it, there was nothing she could do etc.

I had that all through the next couple of years before I left completely. So glad I did. Even my teachers at the service I go to now don't completely understand. Meh. I don't blame them, although I've tried to explain...

Hopefull, my psychologists recommendations will be okay for college and I'll have help there.



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05 Jun 2008, 5:39 pm

I don't, but I do need extended time. My anxiety gets in the way of finishing a test on time :?



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05 Jun 2008, 9:35 pm

AS in NOT a learning disability in the sense of math/reading/writing, but you COULD think of it as a SOCIAL learning disability.
But literally though.
Granted, it is, however possible for aspies to be co-morbid with LD's.



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05 Jun 2008, 9:44 pm

I've seen several posts on this thread with people supporting the idea of AS being a learning disability on the basis that some Aspies struggle with certain subjects.

Am I the only one who sees a problem with this line of reasoning? Most NT's are incapable of anything beyond basic math, and the writing skills I've seen from my NT older sisters, both of whom are well above average in intelligence, have not impressed me. Struggling with specific material is NOT the same as having a learning disability. If it was, then you would have to say that all stupid people (even all average people, and close to all above-average intelligence people) would have a learning disability.


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05 Jun 2008, 9:53 pm

Orwell wrote:
I've seen several posts on this thread with people supporting the idea of AS being a learning disability on the basis that some Aspies struggle with certain subjects.

Am I the only one who sees a problem with this line of reasoning? Most NT's are incapable of anything beyond basic math, and the writing skills I've seen from my NT older sisters, both of whom are well above average in intelligence, have not impressed me. Struggling with specific material is NOT the same as having a learning disability. If it was, then you would have to say that all stupid people (even all average people, and close to all above-average intelligence people) would have a learning disability.
Orwell, you might be onto something.
after I had my IQ tested, my tester said something similar to that.
However, I think restricting good math skills just to people with aspergers is a bit...biased?
I know some aspies who aren't good at math, and a bunch of NT who are great at it.



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05 Jun 2008, 10:00 pm

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However, I think restricting good math skills just to people with aspergers is a bit...biased?
I know some aspies who aren't good at math, and a bunch of NT who are great at it.

That's not quite what I meant, sorry if I was unclear. I said most NT's aren't capable of much past basic math, which is true. This was to counter all the claims on this thread that Aspies have a learning disability because of poor math skills, not to denigrate NT math skills. There are plenty who can do math, both Aspie and NT, but they are in the minority. The "average" person with an IQ of 100 is not generally capable of learning calculus.


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05 Jun 2008, 10:02 pm

Orwell wrote:
curiouslittleboy wrote:
However, I think restricting good math skills just to people with aspergers is a bit...biased?
I know some aspies who aren't good at math, and a bunch of NT who are great at it.

That's not quite what I meant, sorry if I was unclear. I said most NT's aren't capable of much past basic math, which is true. This was to counter all the claims on this thread that Aspies have a learning disability because of poor math skills, not to denigrate NT math skills. There are plenty who can do math, both Aspie and NT, but they are in the minority. The "average" person with an IQ of 100 is not generally capable of learning calculus.
hmm...ok...If I take that in the more positive way...ok. I guess. :\



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05 Jun 2008, 10:04 pm

Basically, what I meant was that "even" NT's, who are not considered to have a learning disability, often struggle with academics. Not earning straight A's in all AP classes≠a learning disability.


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05 Jun 2008, 10:16 pm

Well, my impression of a learning disability is that the deficits are specific, and outside the normal range of lopsidedness that one would expect. The official definition (The National Joint Committee on Learning Disabilities (NJCLD)) goes:

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a heterogeneous group of disorders manifested by significant difficulties in the acquisition and use of listening, speaking, reading, writing, reasoning or mathematical abilities. These disorders are intrinsic to the individual and presumed to be due to Central Nervous System Dysfunction. Even though a learning disability may occur concomitantly with other handicapping conditions (e.g. sensory impairment, mental retardation, social and emotional disturbance) or environmental influences (e.g. cultural differences, insufficient/inappropriate instruction, psychogenic factors) it is not the direct result of those conditions or influences.

In which case at first blush it seems to me that the distinction between a learning disability and just being specifically incompetent is just a matter of severity.

Poor functioning beyond what one would expect given the individuals intelligence occurs even in ADD. The "obsessive interest" characteristic of AS seems to imply difficulty learning topics outside this range. This sort of specificity strikes me as enough to qualify for a learning disability, although I am really unsure and shall have to look into it more.


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05 Jun 2008, 10:19 pm

Orwell wrote:
I've seen several posts on this thread with people supporting the idea of AS being a learning disability on the basis that some Aspies struggle with certain subjects.

Am I the only one who sees a problem with this line of reasoning? Most NT's are incapable of anything beyond basic math, and the writing skills I've seen from my NT older sisters, both of whom are well above average in intelligence, have not impressed me. Struggling with specific material is NOT the same as having a learning disability. If it was, then you would have to say that all stupid people (even all average people, and close to all above-average intelligence people) would have a learning disability.


Thank you for putting my ideas into the most lucid form possible. I find you are like a smarter me :|

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05 Jun 2008, 10:20 pm

Orwell wrote:
Basically, what I meant was that "even" NT's, who are not considered to have a learning disability, often struggle with academics. Not earning straight A's in all AP classes≠a learning disability.
True, true. I'm aware of that. n.n*
And while I'm at it, regarding your last sentence, tis ok, dude. XD
I'm getting over my inferiority complex and becoming more and more confident.
For some good reasons:
While I DID have to stay longer in HS, still, I was definitely pulling my weight. :3
I graduated in the top 2%-5% (I haven't gotten my final transcript so I don't know EXACTLY where I stand yet.)
And that, I'm also one of the top graduating MALE seniors, if not THE highest ranking male senior in my class. XD
The class I did graduate from was the biggest and best my school has ever had.
The school itself is in the top 2% of American HS's nationwide. :3
The class rocks hard. :3
With a staggering 75% of the students making honor roll.

And, while I do dispise folks (looks directly into your eyes) who are smarter/more mature/more independent/and/or that I just precieve as better than me, still,
espeically on intellectual scale, I find that most of my friends are said people. XD
I see it as I'm a mental masocist. As most (if not all) other people who are less intellectually just too boring to be around. XD


Back on topic, yeah, that's true. Granted, they often have the social skills to make up for it.
Hence what I meant by the idea of AS being a "social" LD. XD
again, not literally.



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05 Jun 2008, 10:23 pm

@Orwell: And while I'm at it, I disagreed with your ideas, at least in the way they were presented, because at least how I interpretted them, it seems to mean that the only smart people are people with aspergers...
This is also problematic.
The majority of smart people tend to have the highest paying jobs (Law, Medicine, Engineering, etc)
Yet, from what I understand, only about 10%-20% of aspies have jobs they are qualified for (via their education).