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18 Dec 2014, 10:57 pm

Here I am again complaining about the public school system. It startles me how indifferent teachers are to any actual learning, even while teaching students in the last year of school before college. One teacher offered me the choice between two books to read for a class, and when I had said I already read one of them he asked me why I wouldn't just choose that one and make it "easier". I want to graduate right here and now if that's how my "education" is going to be. It's not like the others in my class even do any book assignments anyway with the existence of Sparknotes and whatever else they cheat with now.

Other teachers are just as eager to get through it all as painlessly and easily as possible.
"Oh, is that kid on his smartphone during a test? He might be the kid of some higher-up so why should I bother reporting it.."
"Oh, is that kid bullying that one? I'll just look at my own smartphone and pretend I don't see it... Gotta finish this Candy Crush level."
"Oh, half the class has the same essays/etc? Maybe they just all think alike, like in all those dystopian movies on TV."
"Oh, I actually have to teach? Why do I have to if everything is on the Internet anyway?"

Has anyone experienced similar indifference? It's so discouraging...


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19 Dec 2014, 8:44 am

When I was in 5th grade, my teacher demanded that we provide statistics for on-demand persuasive writing. When I asked how we were supposed to provide statistics if we weren't allowed to research, she told us, "Just make them up! It's not like anyone cares anyway." She then took points off if you didn't fabricate statistics. When kids are taught to write persuasively and forbidden from finding evidence, something's wrong.



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04 Jan 2015, 11:24 pm

Greenhat wrote:
When I was in 5th grade, my teacher demanded that we provide statistics for on-demand persuasive writing. When I asked how we were supposed to provide statistics if we weren't allowed to research, she told us, "Just make them up! It's not like anyone cares anyway." She then took points off if you didn't fabricate statistics. When kids are taught to write persuasively and forbidden from finding evidence, something's wrong.

That's one of the most depressing things I've read all day... and I've read some depressing crap today...

It's not necessarily wrong to prohibit finding evidence for teaching persuasion (it could be a logic assignment for example, where you persuade by logically shifting through layers of reasoning, although both together would still be best), but it is extremely wrong for them to force students to fabricate evidence to persuade.

No wonder ignorance is so rampant in our society when students are taught that evidence doesn't matter.


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05 Jan 2015, 6:25 am

Protogenoi wrote:
Greenhat wrote:
When I was in 5th grade, my teacher demanded that we provide statistics for on-demand persuasive writing. When I asked how we were supposed to provide statistics if we weren't allowed to research, she told us, "Just make them up! It's not like anyone cares anyway." She then took points off if you didn't fabricate statistics. When kids are taught to write persuasively and forbidden from finding evidence, something's wrong.

That's one of the most depressing things I've read all day... and I've read some depressing crap today...

It's not necessarily wrong to prohibit finding evidence for teaching persuasion (it could be a logic assignment for example, where you persuade by logically shifting through layers of reasoning, although both together would still be best), but it is extremely wrong for them to force students to fabricate evidence to persuade.

No wonder ignorance is so rampant in our society when students are taught that evidence doesn't matter.



It was just that teacher (it's not like it was in the standards), and she was always a pretty terrible teacher anyway. So there's that.