80% of aspies fail out/unemployed after 4+years of college

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03 Jun 2009, 6:09 am

Learning2Survive wrote:
These guys have been set up failure. They were sent to college without

1) Study skills/Home work habits
2) Social skills/Office etiquette/Team work skills
3) Realistic view of job market
4) Support for depression/anxiety/loneliness


Sadly, I don't think your observation is limited just to people with AS.

A lot of NT kids are being pushed into college with the same deficiencies, and they are facing the same outcome in increasing numbers. The difference being that people with NT are better suited to adapt on the fly and avoid a negative outcome.



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04 Jun 2009, 10:00 am

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Really? I'm skeptical.

Is that why Newton, Einstein and Andy Warhol and the rest are such successes?



Albert Einstein was a college dropout...


I don't think thats true. I read in a book that he scored the top of his class. Even if he did drop out of college - it was different times.



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04 Jun 2009, 2:56 pm

I am pretty positive I will be the other 20%, it might take longer, but I know I will be in work, my skills are pretty decent.


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05 Jun 2009, 11:32 am

And we can also learn to adapt on the fly! It may not be our first language. But just like learning Italian, or any other language in the whole world, even if a second language, we can become pretty proficient at it.



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05 Jun 2009, 11:55 am

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Albert Einstein was a college dropout...


Actually, he was a high-school dropout. But the reason he dropped out was to go directly to college.

From Wikipedia:
Rather than completing high school, Einstein decided to apply directly to the Eidgenössische Polytechnische Schule (later Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule (ETH)) in Zürich, Switzerland. Lacking a school certificate, he was required to take an entrance examination, which he did not pass, although he got exceptional marks in mathematics and physics.[10] Einstein wrote that it was in that same year, at age 16, that he first performed his famous thought experiment visualizing traveling alongside a beam of light (Einstein 1979).

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05 Jun 2009, 12:38 pm

Umm... Einstein might have been a little bit smarter than us... Unless you are a world class mathematical genius, think twice before dropping out of high school.


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05 Jun 2009, 12:52 pm

Smarter than us? Einstein himself would truly not like that attitude to any means. If I may be allowed to speak, and I do not mean to seem rude, I feel that this sort of 'doom and gloom' talk is counter productive.



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05 Jun 2009, 1:31 pm

Einstein struggled with school.
The Early Years

In his early years, Albert Einstein's mother was disturbed by how long it took him to learn how to talk. His elementary school teachers thought that he was a foolish dreamer, and one teacher had even asked him to drop out of his class. Young Albert hated sports as a child, and they made him dizzy and tired, but he made up for his hatred of sports with his love for music. He would play Mozart sonatas on the violin, usually accompanied by his mother. He also liked private games, such as building a house of cards.

For academics, he loved math and science. Max Talmud, a medical student and a friend to the family, went to dinner with them every Thursday night and brought Albert science books. Einstein's Uncle Jacob gave him math problems, and he received a book on geometry when he was 12. Over the next two years he taught himself calculus.

Even though he loved academics, he disliked school and eventually dropped out of high school. Without a high school diploma, he had to take special exams to get into college. He failed the first set and had to re-take them. After graduation, he couldn't get a job anywhere. He was even rejected by the Swiss military because he had flat feet, but he eventually found a tutoring job and earned three francs an hour.

Einstein finally got a job at a Swiss patent office, and earned just enough money so that his parents didn't have to support him, his young wife, and their new-born baby. Then, he started to work in solitude in the patent office, in between patent applications, on problems that had intrigued him as a child.


The Early Years


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07 Jun 2009, 12:54 am

Eh, well maybe. I go to a small college, and it is similar to highschool. It's been a good place for me to learn about myself though, and to prepare for a larger college. I was also homeschooled, and went straight into college so it was pretty tough. I've not failed out yet though.



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07 Jun 2009, 4:27 am

Don't scare me! Lol. But yeah, I repeated my junior year just last year. And I am still in high school.

Well, I know my problems are not in academic work, in fact they are quite manageable, but the main issue in me is coping my relationships with other classmates. I suck at it. I still have problems even after 13+ years in school but I know I am coping better. Perhaps when I get into college, who knows, when similar changes come, I am better equipped with the skills and the know-how learned from the extra year in school to survive through college?

But well, sometimes, let's take another approach into this issue.

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In my aspie group, 80% of high functioning aspies are unemployed, living at home or parents pay for rent, and all went college and have either:
1) Fail out of college junior year,
2) Take semesters off, fail, and graduate 2-3 years late
3) Graduate but are unemployed


Well...

I already repeated a year high school, in my junior year. I did not even take semesters off. These are not my concerns --- somehow, 2 years ago, I just had too much issues with some relationship problems with my classmates (that I still can't resolve) that really, I am forced to retain even though I had decent grades. It is basically because of that I was taking advanced classes but I hated the people I was interacting with, they were too competitive like me and we couldn't agree on some issues. Worse still, my teachers said that I have no chance to go to top institutions because I failed a few modules in some science subjects (as I was also unfortunately not nimble with my hands), and unless I take some other courses in the following year leading to a more desirable result, I will have a dim chance going to university. It's basically a mixture of 'death sentence' with 'internal struggles' with both myself and the environment I was in.

I initially wanted to be a healthcare professional, but that year really changed my option. To be honest, now, I think I will just go anywhere where my grades lead me to, and I am open to all options... Though to be honest, whenever possible, I would like to take courses in Geography/Urban Studies.



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07 Jun 2009, 5:33 am

DustinWX wrote:
Eh, well maybe. I go to a small college, and it is similar to highschool. It's been a good place for me to learn about myself though, and to prepare for a larger college. I was also homeschooled, and went straight into college so it was pretty tough. I've not failed out yet though.


I think going to smaller colleges are better than big school. I go to a school with over 45,000 students, and getting specific help is very difficult if not impossible. People here usually help me a little and then tell me to go somewhere else for another little bit of help. It takes days to get what I want, and everyone appears to have extremely busy schedules.

I have taken some grad level classes and found them very good. Mostly because the class sizes range from 10 to 15, compared to a typical undergrad class of roughly 100 +/- 50. Small classes are good for Aspies.



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07 Jun 2009, 5:36 am

But only larger coleges offer more specialised courses... that's the irony.



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07 Jun 2009, 9:18 am

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But only larger coleges offer more specialised courses... that's the irony.


The only reason for that is because colleges/universities hype the value of the "specialized" education. Most college graduates are not working in the fields they trained for. It's a gimmick that a lot of employers buy into...wanting a specialized educational background when the number of people who could do the job they need done is much greater if they weren't so narrow-visioned.



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08 Jun 2009, 8:27 am

Well, if it's of any help to any of you youngsters (without wishing to sound patronising) out there going through college uni or thinking about it. This Aspie got a place at one of the most prestigious art schools in the country to do his degree (20 years ago). And went on to form a successful career in advertising as a creative (albeit with many hurdles and hiccups along the way). And all this without even knowing I was on the spectrum.

Good luck to you all. My advice would be to just go for it, and if you get knocked down do your level best to get back up and keep plugging away. And importantly, don't be concerned about asking for help if you need it - just ask.

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08 Jun 2009, 9:38 am

How do you feel when you ask questions?



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08 Jun 2009, 10:17 am

ruennsheng wrote:
How do you feel when you ask questions?


Who is this directed at?