Some food for thought on bullying

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16 Apr 2013, 3:37 am

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the social darwinists will never comprehend the evil of their beliefs until they themselves fall by the wayside and become naturally selected roadkill.


Perhaps there are some people I might wish PTSD on so they can see what too much sh*t is like, didn't really think I would before I saw this thread.


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16 Apr 2013, 11:23 am

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for christ's sake, we as humans are supposed to be better than the f***ing animals! that is our whole reason for being! why can't more people understand this truth?


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16 Apr 2013, 11:31 am

We are better than (non-human) f***ing animals in the only natural sense of such a statement: we are better at spreading throughout the planet, multiplying and subjecting every other species to our interests or driving it to extinction.



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16 Apr 2013, 12:13 pm

Spiderpig wrote:
We are better than (non-human) f***ing animals in the only natural sense of such a statement: we are better at spreading throughout the planet, multiplying and subjecting every other species to our interests or driving it to extinction.


Well when you really think about it, that is a really parasitic mentality....But humans don't have to be parasites.


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16 Apr 2013, 12:54 pm

auntblabby wrote:
the social darwinists will never comprehend the evil of their beliefs until they themselves fall by the wayside and become naturally selected roadkill.


Well said.



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16 Apr 2013, 12:55 pm

auntblabby wrote:
the social darwinists will never comprehend the evil of their beliefs until they themselves fall by the wayside and become naturally selected roadkill.


Well said.



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17 Apr 2013, 12:01 pm

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University studies have shown that 96.65% of the 10,000 teenagers tested, Used a form of bullying as stress relief, could 9665 teenagers be wrong? As a side note, the other 3.35% used drugs.


Ummm...I don't know about any of you, but I didn't bully or use drugs. I would like to see exactly where these "studies" came from; I want the actual numbers, not the ones that someone put a personal spin on.

Bullying serves no purpose besides hurting someone for others' entertainment. I was on the receiving end for years, I have seen where the giving end leads to and the results on either end are not pretty. The whole "survival of the fittest" idea is ridiculous; there are children committing suicide because of bullying! A news story I read last year was about a 10-year-old who hung himself because he was being bullied at school so badly; his 6 year old brother found him, dead.

There is absolutely NO acceptable reason for bullying.

Also, to those who are hoping this article is satire, it is not.


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18 Apr 2013, 2:58 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Well when you really think about it, that is a really parasitic mentality....But humans don't have to be parasites.


Parasites? Why not predators?

Do Kids Bully from Low Self-Esteem? Or Because they’re Popular? No and No

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18 Apr 2013, 3:06 am

Spiderpig wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
Well when you really think about it, that is a really parasitic mentality....But humans don't have to be parasites.


Parasites? Why not predators?

Do Kids Bully from Low Self-Esteem? Or Because they’re Popular? No and No

Pecking Order | HenCam


'better at spreading throughout the planet, multiplying subjecting every other species to our intrests or making it go extinct.' Using up all the resources till there are none left...ect. Like parasites.

Bullying is very parasitic like it or not, essentially its feeding off other people to further yourself....the individual would probably be fine without the bullying but when it won't stop for too long it negatively effects them.


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18 Apr 2013, 3:33 am

Predators fit that pattern, too.

On the other hand, from a bully’s point of view, they’re not necessarily being “parasitic” or anything of the sort; they are putting victims in their place. Victims are weaker than them, so they’re not considered to deserve the same status. Social animals naturally regard weak individuals with contempt, because they’re a burden on the group and take up valuable resources that would be better used supporting the stronger members, like the bullies themselves. Therefore, they may very well feel that they’re defending what is rightfully theirs. That’s why a slightly wounded hen will be pecked to death by her peers.

Bullying myths: Who are the real victims?



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18 Apr 2013, 3:37 am

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Predators fit that pattern, too.

On the other hand, from a bully’s point of view, they’re not necessarily being “parasitic” or anything of the sort; they are putting victims in their place. Victims are weaker than them, so they’re not considered to deserve the same status. Social animals naturally regard weak individuals with contempt, because they’re a burden on the group and take up valuable resources that would be better used supporting the stronger members, like the bullies themselves. Therefore, they may very well feel that they’re defending what is rightfully theirs. That’s why a slightly wounded hen will be pecked to death by her peers.

Bullying myths: Who are the real victims?


Well I say the bullies ought to be put in their place....Just really hope you're not agreeing with all that BS you just posted.


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18 Apr 2013, 10:27 am

I don’t agree with everything in texts like this, but I think there are many interesting ideas in them: Quit whining; a little bullying is good for you. I don’t really like the title or the uncertainty about the boundary between “a little bullying” and “criminal aggravated assault”, though.



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18 Apr 2013, 12:41 pm

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I don’t agree with everything in texts like this, but I think there are many interesting ideas in them: Quit whining; a little bullying is good for you. I don’t really like the title or the uncertainty about the boundary between “a little bullying” and “criminal aggravated assault”, though.


Another disgusting article....people are weak and pathetic if they don't want to be bullied/harrassed. I think instead of putting the blame on the victim for being 'weak and pathetic.' perhaps bullying is what's wrong and should be discouraged. But I guess its better if people just grow thicker skins or off themselves........it weeds out the worthless so the better people can get to the top right. :roll:

You say you're not defending it and just about every article you've posted and everything you've said yourself....gives off the impression of defending bullying is good, in that it weeds out the weak and inferior right? Or people who can't handle all the bullying are just pathetic and weak........sorry but being ostracized and bullied throughout school was not natural. I am sure everyone has had an incident of bullying but its not normal to be picked on day after day by everyone while remaining ostracized at every freaking school you go to.

Bullying is part of growing up? well if anything its one of the main reasons I never actually had a healthy childhood development, and its also why I am severely anxious about people and always think people will judge and hate me if I express myself in any way. None of that is helping me get by in life.


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18 Apr 2013, 1:20 pm

The point is that you can choose only what you do, not what others do, and this explains the underlying biological motivations for bullying behavior. Nobody intelligently designed it; it arose because those with an instinct to behave this way succeed more in propagating their genes than those lacking it.



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18 Apr 2013, 1:58 pm

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The point is that you can choose only what you do, not what others do, and this explains the underlying biological motivations for bullying behavior. Nobody intelligently designed it; it arose because those with an instinct to behave this way succeed more in propagating their genes than those lacking it.


Yes you have made that point quite well enough multiple times in this thread. Thing is bullying/abuse/harrassment damages people and is not a good thing. A society would work better if everyone was healthy and treated each other with a little bit of respect. But what do I know I am just a weak pathetic person who's been on the receiving end of bullying rather than a prime example of social darwanism, or as I say pseudo-survival of the fittest.

It doesn't matter what becomes of bullying victims, they should just shut up and stay in their place under their betters....same with abuse victims because its just the way it is the bully and/or abuser is simply higher up so they have the right to sh*t on you to further themselves because the Pseudo-darwinists say that the bullying weeds out those worthless no good whiny people lower on the heirarchy who only want to be treated like a damn person rather than an object or steaming pile of crap :shrug:. Do you agree with that bit, or is that one of the things you don't 'totally' agree with?

Also the choice thing is not always accurate, I would have loved to been able to just choose not to be bullied, not be effected by it ect. But you know what I didn't get that damn choice.

Bullying is a choice, its not something someone can't help....that is a cop out. Does someone who beats the sh*t out of their significant other get out of assualt charges by arguing 'its human nature, I am simply stonger and surviving better then that pathetic peice of crap.'

Also there are plenty of decent human beings that don't bully or feel the need to assert some BS position of heirarchy over others they think they are above that reproduce and continue their genes. So yeah I guess the great bullying of society has a lot of weeding out to still do :roll:

I am not a violent person but maybe we ought to weed out the bullies, see how they like it.


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