An aspies worst nightmare
Thanks for all of the advice guys, I know posted this a year ago but I have good news now.
I did give it a shot, and I never really did get any better a presenting to the class.
Working in groups was still a terrible idea because, as GiantHockeyFan said, People in your work field, chose to be part of it, and therefore, will be more motivated to work.
People in High School on the other hand, are not always motivated.
However, many other kids saw faults in this new program and so did the teachers... and of course parents. The program that started when I became a freshman was disbanded due to popular opinion my second semester as a sophomore. Now I am a Junior, almost in my second semester,
This year I took a science elective. Anatomy and Physiology 1. Everyone in that class wants to try their best because it is a hard class and it is not a required class. We all chose to be their. I have had no problems working in a group in that class, and next semester, I will be taking Anatomy and Physiology 2
I used to get so frustrated how in school I would be told in the 'real world' you have to work with groups all the time. They left out one important fact: unlike in school, groups at work tend to be FAR more motivated and interested in working with you rather than leeching off you. As much as we love to complain about coworkers, in the working world thugs and gang members don't huddle around the boardroom table looking to steal your work!
This reminds me of a teacher in highschool who got in trouble for telling the students in his class that they are already in the real world. That the BS that they heard 30 minutes ago in the auditorium was false.
He said the challenges change when we leave school, but the problems we face in school are all entirely real and need to be solved.
He also said that there was no reason to believe that life will just get harder, that's just pessimism. That there isn't any reason to be cynical and that if we really try to use our time here at school to learn, then there isn't much need or use
He was a cool teacher. He was disciplined somewhat severely for saying that stuff.
He also got discipline for saying that college isn't necessary, nor is it for everyone, and that it wasn't shameful to become an apprentice or go to a tradeschool to become a mechanic or something.
He also recommended we travel and see the world... learn something about other cultures and about history.
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Now take a trip with me but don't be surprised when things aren't what they seem. I've known it from the start all these good ideas will tear your brain apart. Scared, but you can follow me. I'm too weird to live but much too rare to die. - a7x
Most colleges teach group work along with high schools, because that is what employers are "demanding"!
You are supposed to work in group in real life, so you have to adjust to it in college.
(everyone told me the above line when I was in school!)
Anyways when I did group work back in school, I was normally group leader and did as much work as possible.
In exchange, the other group members had to agree to my terms and they did less work than expected while getting their grades (I normally gave them full points).
That is why people wanted to be in my groups.
I also have OCD that would kick in, normally ensuring good grades.
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When did employers get to be able decide for schools what constitutes as an education. It's not like they have any idea about effective teaching methods.
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Now take a trip with me but don't be surprised when things aren't what they seem. I've known it from the start all these good ideas will tear your brain apart. Scared, but you can follow me. I'm too weird to live but much too rare to die. - a7x
When did employers get to be able decide for schools what constitutes as an education. It's not like they have any idea about effective teaching methods.
Believe it or not employers work with the government and educators to help craft the appropriate curriculum.
It's supposed to help us learn the skills the economy is demanding.
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When did employers get to be able decide for schools what constitutes as an education. It's not like they have any idea about effective teaching methods.
Believe it or not employers work with the government and educators to help craft the appropriate curriculum.
It's supposed to help us learn the skills the economy is demanding.
But the educators always get the short end of the deal. For the common core revision there were only two educators consulted and both of them thought the idea was terrible. Outvoted by employers and government bureaucrats.
And experts in various scientific and mathematical fields... and major historians... they aren't normally asked about what is significant for the curriculum either.
Paul Lockehart (A professional research mathematician and highschool/middleschool teacher, former college professor) says for instance that mathematicians are never consulted about the math curriculum and that the curriculum is several centuries behind the times... and that the majority of math students (I paraphrase) "never have to deal with real math until their in postgrad classes and then find out that they are terrible at math because they never had to deal with real math in school, they made into nothing more than "trained chimpanzees.""
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Now take a trip with me but don't be surprised when things aren't what they seem. I've known it from the start all these good ideas will tear your brain apart. Scared, but you can follow me. I'm too weird to live but much too rare to die. - a7x
When did employers get to be able decide for schools what constitutes as an education. It's not like they have any idea about effective teaching methods.
Believe it or not employers work with the government and educators to help craft the appropriate curriculum.
It's supposed to help us learn the skills the economy is demanding.
But the educators always get the short end of the deal. For the common core revision there were only two educators consulted and both of them thought the idea was terrible. Outvoted by employers and government bureaucrats.
And experts in various scientific and mathematical fields... and major historians... they aren't normally asked about what is significant for the curriculum either.
Paul Lockehart (A professional research mathematician and highschool/middleschool teacher, former college professor) says for instance that mathematicians are never consulted about the math curriculum and that the curriculum is several centuries behind the times... and that the majority of math students (I paraphrase) "never have to deal with real math until their in postgrad classes and then find out that they are terrible at math because they never had to deal with real math in school, they made into nothing more than "trained chimpanzees.""
The U.S. education was designed from the beginning to do two things:
1) Make you into a good American
2) Teach you how fit into the economy (farmer or factory work)
Why do you think the U.S. is the biggest economy in the world since the WWI?
(U.S. is the biggest manufacturer since the 1880s and the biggest exporter since the early 1800s).
I know plenty of people who went into teaching and hate how the decisions are made.
The U.S. will probably be still the biggest economy and military power at the end of the century, dwarfing China and India.
Since most are unaware how fast China and India are slowing economically, leaving their graduates with a much higher unemployment rate than the U.S.
Their unemployment rates for those under 40 is much higher than the U.S.
The U.S. is doing something right, if the world's two most populous countries are already hitting the brick celling.
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I had the hilarious experience of teachers placing me in groups only to immediately regret that decision. I would hate working in groups and cause a fuss to do the entire project on my own, to which they just ignored until other kids came to them and complained. Every single time I was the only one in my group that knew how to do everything and wouldn't be messing around, so what happened was I'd take charge (which was very annoying to the appointed group leaders) and ridicule the people who wouldn't do anything or if their work was terrible. So there were instances where I'd get the job done, piss off a couple people, get kicked, and then be asked to go back onto the team because they had no idea what to do.
As funny as the situations could be, to this day I hate group work.
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Your neurodiverse (Aspie) score: 175 of 200
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worst nightmare??
as most of my subject need us to do field study in a group..i really hate it when i am placed in a group with people that only used me. all the hard core things in the study is my part.. only the small ones like introduction are their part.. as that group had been forced to accept me, so if anything, i just need to accept and do.
when they think that my part (after all the hardwork) is the longest one, they cut off everything from 5 slides presentation to only one slide and with only 2 sentences!!
same with group's essay, when i write with all those facts, they said.. it is too much. i feel angry but, i dont know how to express myself. so, at the end of the day, i just give up and avoid them..
another one, when to choose group members. i always being left alone. i dont have very close friends and only talk some groups of people in the class. so, at the end of the day, some of the groups that didnt have enough member just need to accept me..
ahaaa! i remember this case.
I usually end up doing all the work and then being ignored about it.
Since you, OP, seem to live in the US, you could see about getting/altering an IEP or 504. A provision in there about accommodations for group size and composition helps. If you have friends in the class who you can ask to group with, that's even better.
Reading the word "Common Core" means my life in WA schools. Now, 46 states have been given the OK (and are teaching) Smarter Balanced/Common Core materials. Which makes life a lot more confusing than it was before.
We are required (I believe) to take an online Smarter Balanced math test for the end of junior year in this district. Which is likely going to mess me up. Algebra II ended this semester with less than a 64%...due to test anxiety and confusing work. After studying my butt off all the time, and getting help from sp-ed teachers and NTs, things still did not look up. If I want to go into community college, this is going to put a scar in the plan.
Also required to take a Language Arts test in May and the state says even with the 10th graders (meaning us, in 2013-14) passing the HSPE exit exam for reading/writing, we still have to take this one as well.
As it is an all-on-computer test, our school would have to come up with a way to be able to test 300 students all at once...and provide headphones for all of us as well, as that is required to hear the auditory part of the test (the articles). That's going to be a trainwreck.
Group stuff for me is OK, it just depends if the people are interested or not, and if they are immature brats or not. I will not deal with people who I just do not get along with well. Sometimes my partners never give their feedback, or just socialize the whole time...so I have to provide it all. Ugh.
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