05 Jun 2019, 9:27 pm
ASS-P wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
ASS-P wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
ASS-P wrote:
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...Yes. that could be nice. SF is just so stuffed with HL that..
I have thought that maybe I should go somewhere else, but where? Especially with being handicapped and not driving.
Regarding the poster below that . I haven't heard of such , nice " care houses
- You were rather pushing a Patterson situation on me, more or less saying it was the best I could expect! 
A Patterson situation is far superior to your current situation. Anything is a step above that.
Then, once you’re stable, you can look for something better (but don’t leave until you can move directly into the new place!).
Improvement is usually a gradual process. Most of us don’t go from a lousy situation to a great one all in one step.
...Thr trouble is, in my position, something such as what there was in Patterson would maybe not be something I could easily take a forward step from, but a tra ' especially considering. for two. " Daniel "'s apparent dedication to trying to Hoover away all my possessions and their lying to me about public transportation not existing in Patterson!
Twilightprincess wrote:
ASS-P wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
I'd rather you get one of those apartments for medically fragile people where there's care nearby when you need it...but you can go out when you want, and invite people over when you want.
...Yes. that could be nice. SF is just so stuffed with HL that..
I have thought that maybe I should go somewhere else, but where? Especially with being handicapped and not driving.
Regarding the poster below that . I haven't heard of such , nice " care houses
- You were rather pushing a Patterson situation on me, more or less saying it was the best I could expect! A Patterson situation is far superior to your current situation. Anything is a step above that.
Then, once you’re stable, you can look for something better (but don’t leave until you can move directly into the new place!).
Improvement is usually a gradual process. Most of us don’t go from a lousy situation to a great one all in one step.
...Thr trouble is, in my position, something such as what there was in Patterson would maybe not be something I could easily take a forward step from, but a tra ' especially considering. for two. " Daniel "'s apparent dedication to trying to Hoover away all my possessions and their lying to me about public transportation not existing in Patterson!
Almost anything is better than being homeless.
...Like when I turned 21 in a state mental hospital, stuffed fill of Thorazine, etal
, with a doctor saying about me " He"s not good for anything else but being on a back ward the rest of his life! " ? That wonderful slternative ? 
I don’t think that’s very likely, especially if you cooperate with your treatment team. The mental health field has improved by leaps and bounds since then.
I’ve been in a psych ward. It wasn’t an awful experience. The doctors certainly weren’t endeavoring to overmedicate me, and there was social service workers on the premises to help people get services that they needed q
upon release including housing....The Psychiatric-Industrial Complex has never apologized to me for what they did to me. They have never sought me out to say We were wrong ".
. They have never offered me a new miracle drug to fix at least SOME OF THE DAMAGE THEIR LAST MIRACLE DRUG DID TO ME!! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! What damage has Thorazine caused you?
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06 Jun 2019, 1:29 am
...What is.TD?
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Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!
06 Jun 2019, 1:52 am
TD is Tardive Dyskinesia
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kraftiekortie wrote:
Thorazine causes tardive dyskinesia.
That does stigmatize people.
If somebody was agitated in a mental ward back then, they were put in restraints, given a shot of Thorazine, then placed in seclusion.
That does stigmatize people.
If somebody was agitated in a mental ward back then, they were put in restraints, given a shot of Thorazine, then placed in seclusion.
Images of Tardive Dyskinesia:
06 Jun 2019, 2:28 am
Twilightprincess wrote:
Almost anything is better than being homeless.
ASS-P wrote:
...Like when I turned 21 in a state mental hospital, stuffed fill of Thorazine, etal , with a doctor saying about me " He"s not good for anything else but being on a back ward the rest of his life! " ? That wonderful slternative ?
, with a doctor saying about me " He"s not good for anything else but being on a back ward the rest of his life! " ? That wonderful slternative ? Twilightprincess wrote:
I don’t think that’s very likely, especially if you cooperate with your treatment team. The mental health field has improved by leaps and bounds since then.
I’ve been in a psych ward. It wasn’t an awful experience. The doctors certainly weren’t endeavoring to overmedicate me, and there was social service workers on the premises to help people get services that they needed upon release including housing.
I’ve been in a psych ward. It wasn’t an awful experience. The doctors certainly weren’t endeavoring to overmedicate me, and there was social service workers on the premises to help people get services that they needed upon release including housing.
I'm sorry to say that I'm upset by this optimism, although I agree that almost anything is better than homelessness.
But Twilightprincess, are you aware that ASS-P is referring to an event when he turned 21 in 1980? I remember those days well, and the decades that preceeded them. That quote of the doctor was a common song of psychiatrists in those days. People who remember those days aren't going to believe things have improved. And there is the prisoner aspect, as well as total lack of patient rights. But your experience sounds great. Except ...
Except that I was an out-patient at a psych ward in 1997, so these modern ways should have existed then. Nominally, they did. There was an in-house social worker who taught us how to look up government services in the phone book, noting that we are to use the blue pages in the middle. This took him an hour. But being older and experienced, I knew there were dozens of subdivisions of kinds of housing and we got no instruction on that. For the amount of help he gave, he might as well have said nothing at all.
Did he even tell us that "Tax" is listed under "Revenue"? Nope. Zero help from the social worker. Housing? Not a word.
I can't believe that the mental health field has improved by leaps and bounds, or even millimetres. I'm sorry but I have to get this off my chest.
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06 Jun 2019, 5:29 am
Claradoon wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
Almost anything is better than being homeless.
ASS-P wrote:
...Like when I turned 21 in a state mental hospital, stuffed fill of Thorazine, etal , with a doctor saying about me " He"s not good for anything else but being on a back ward the rest of his life! " ? That wonderful slternative ?
, with a doctor saying about me " He"s not good for anything else but being on a back ward the rest of his life! " ? That wonderful slternative ? Twilightprincess wrote:
I don’t think that’s very likely, especially if you cooperate with your treatment team. The mental health field has improved by leaps and bounds since then.
I’ve been in a psych ward. It wasn’t an awful experience. The doctors certainly weren’t endeavoring to overmedicate me, and there was social service workers on the premises to help people get services that they needed upon release including housing.
I’ve been in a psych ward. It wasn’t an awful experience. The doctors certainly weren’t endeavoring to overmedicate me, and there was social service workers on the premises to help people get services that they needed upon release including housing.
I'm sorry to say that I'm upset by this optimism, although I agree that almost anything is better than homelessness.
But Twilightprincess, are you aware that ASS-P is referring to an event when he turned 21 in 1980? I remember those days well, and the decades that preceeded them. That quote of the doctor was a common song of psychiatrists in those days. People who remember those days aren't going to believe things have improved. And there is the prisoner aspect, as well as total lack of patient rights. But your experience sounds great. Except ...
Except that I was an out-patient at a psych ward in 1997, so these modern ways should have existed then. Nominally, they did. There was an in-house social worker who taught us how to look up government services in the phone book, noting that we are to use the blue pages in the middle. This took him an hour. But being older and experienced, I knew there were dozens of subdivisions of kinds of housing and we got no instruction on that. For the amount of help he gave, he might as well have said nothing at all.
Did he even tell us that "Tax" is listed under "Revenue"? Nope. Zero help from the social worker. Housing? Not a word.
I can't believe that the mental health field has improved by leaps and bounds, or even millimetres. I'm sorry but I have to get this off my chest.
Being in a psych ward is never a “great” experience, but things are in no way as bad as they used to be.
Patients do have rights. They just aren’t always aware of what those rights are.
I don’t like speaking against inpatient psych treatment because, for people who are at risk of hurting themselves or others, it’s better than the alternative.
I’m not being optimistic. I’m being realistic. ASS-P can improve his situation (by going into a care home). It’s by no means hopeless.
06 Jun 2019, 6:03 am
Twilightprincess wrote:
Claradoon wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
Almost anything is better than being homeless.
ASS-P wrote:
...Like when I turned 21 in a state mental hospital, stuffed fill of Thorazine, etal , with a doctor saying about me " He"s not good for anything else but being on a back ward the rest of his life! " ? That wonderful slternative ?
, with a doctor saying about me " He"s not good for anything else but being on a back ward the rest of his life! " ? That wonderful slternative ? Twilightprincess wrote:
I don’t think that’s very likely, especially if you cooperate with your treatment team. The mental health field has improved by leaps and bounds since then.
I’ve been in a psych ward. It wasn’t an awful experience. The doctors certainly weren’t endeavoring to overmedicate me, and there was social service workers on the premises to help people get services that they needed upon release including housing.
I’ve been in a psych ward. It wasn’t an awful experience. The doctors certainly weren’t endeavoring to overmedicate me, and there was social service workers on the premises to help people get services that they needed upon release including housing.
I'm sorry to say that I'm upset by this optimism, although I agree that almost anything is better than homelessness.
But Twilightprincess, are you aware that ASS-P is referring to an event when he turned 21 in 1980? I remember those days well, and the decades that preceeded them. That quote of the doctor was a common song of psychiatrists in those days. People who remember those days aren't going to believe things have improved. And there is the prisoner aspect, as well as total lack of patient rights. But your experience sounds great. Except ...
Except that I was an out-patient at a psych ward in 1997, so these modern ways should have existed then. Nominally, they did. There was an in-house social worker who taught us how to look up government services in the phone book, noting that we are to use the blue pages in the middle. This took him an hour. But being older and experienced, I knew there were dozens of subdivisions of kinds of housing and we got no instruction on that. For the amount of help he gave, he might as well have said nothing at all.
Did he even tell us that "Tax" is listed under "Revenue"? Nope. Zero help from the social worker. Housing? Not a word.
I can't believe that the mental health field has improved by leaps and bounds, or even millimetres. I'm sorry but I have to get this off my chest.
Being in a psych ward is never a “great” experience, but things are in no way as bad as they used to be.
Patients do have rights. They just aren’t always aware of what those rights are.
I don’t like speaking against inpatient psych treatment because, for people who are at risk of hurting themselves or others, it’s better than the alternative.
I’m not being optimistic. I’m being realistic. ASS-P can improve his situation (by going into a care home). It’s by no means hopeless.
...This is an old item. The Patterson b&c (if that's what it purported toe - It was not a
licenced/" official " whatever-it-was-supposed-to-be, nnyway) is months in the past! There is NO " oh, pwetty pwease, won't you come on in. out of the cold? b&c - or anything else ' gesturing st me!
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Renal kidney failure, congestive heart failure, COPD. Can't really get up from a floor position unhelped anymore:-(.
One of the walking wounded ~ SMASHED DOWN by life and age, now prevented from even expressing myself! SOB.
" Oh, no! First you have to PROVE you deserve to go away to college! " ~ My mother, 1978 (the heyday of Andy Gibb and Player). I would still like to go.
My life destroyed by Thorazine and Mellaril - and rape - and the Psychiatric/Industrial Complex. SOB:-(! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!
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