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Do you think Aspies perform better if they attend single gender schools as opposed to coed schools?
YES 10%  10%  [ 12 ]
YES 10%  10%  [ 12 ]
NO 28%  28%  [ 33 ]
NO 28%  28%  [ 33 ]
DON'T KNOW 11%  11%  [ 13 ]
DON'T KNOW 11%  11%  [ 13 ]
Total votes : 116

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18 Aug 2005, 2:36 am

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Also, no matter how nice the girls are,


Going by the stories of nearly every year of my two sisters' schooling (both went to an all girls school), girls are indeed not nice... From their stories, girls are the most sadistic, cruel, malicious bullies in existance... A guy will just punch you, perhaps everyday... A girl, on the other hand, will mount a malicious campaign of mental torture, verbal abuse, and manipulation that will potentially destroy your friendships with others... 8O

Not nice...

My youngest sister is currently embroiled in such a situation at the co-ed school she now goes to... so it's not just single gender schools...

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18 Aug 2005, 8:21 pm

For some reason, I have never been affected by intense rumors and never really cared about being a despised outcast who doesn't like just about every social convention there is and keep to myself, anyway. The times when they've ganged up on me to reduce my credibility didn't have any impact, as the school officials seemed to think that boys attacking one girl because she behaves oddly (as in stimming in social studies or covering my ears to the fire alarm) was okay to not punish because I was inviting this sort of treatment. Also, I find it much easier to deal with verbal abuse from girls than from boys for some reason, as boys use both.

Example:
Popular girl with friends blocking my way to class says some insult.
I say something about her being such a complete moron.
She says "YOU should be making yourself more like US."
I start howling with laughter and tell her with tears from my eyes that I haven't laughed so hard in a long time.
She, confused, scowls and walks away.

Of course, I think the reason why it bothers me so much more when boys attacked is because if I fought back, I'd get in trouble (as learned from past experience and as stated in the rules), and so there were many complicating issues psychologically there. I tend to have a better mental defense against manipulation, which tends to just roll off my shoulders like when I found out that a number of my "friends" were just out to make fun of me.

But of course, for me, I'd never really been in girls' friendships or societies, as I didn't understand the reasoning processes of the majority of girls I've known, so I guess that makes it less hurtful to be cast out of a society that you mostly despise the members of anyway, even if you thought they were cherished friends. But of course, this is merely speculation.

I wrote "of course" three times. Huh. Also, the girls that I've known in my most recent school are mostly nice, so that probably rose-colored my past impressions of interactions with them. (I made only ONE person I dislike this year and NO enemies! *celebrates the new record.)

(BTW, I had maybe one friend who was a boy and also an outcast, probably on the same rung of the social ladder as me.)


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19 Aug 2005, 12:38 am

earthmonkey wrote:
Example:
Popular girl with friends blocking my way to class says some insult.
I say something about her being such a complete moron.
She says "YOU should be making yourself more like US."
I start howling with laughter and tell her with tears from my eyes that I haven't laughed so hard in a long time.
She, confused, scowls and walks away.


That is great!! :D:D :lol:


earthmonkey wrote:
Of course, I think the reason why it bothers me so much more when boys attacked is because if I fought back, I'd get in trouble (as learned from past experience and as stated in the rules),


I was lucky at school, even though I fought back, I very rarely got in trouble...Dunno why...

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30 Aug 2005, 6:02 am

i have attended an all girls school and it was a horrible experience. I am NT but am not one for social interaction, so being surrounded by girly girls was hell. All they would ever talk about was clothes and shopping. They were also extremely bitchy, in a way that hurts but is not defined enough to be reoprted as bullyinng. Girls also seem to have a desire to be nice to everyone even those they dislike, so there was a lot of falsities and pretending to be nice to one another, which was confusing enough to me as a NT so i cant imagine how difficult thats gota be for someone with aspergers.

however, perhaps all boys schools are good for boys with aspergers, though i wouldnt know..



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19 Sep 2005, 11:27 pm

As a guy I thought the greatest thing would be a class full of girls and me, It happened in 10th grade and it wasn't much fun,only a handful out of 30 spoke to me and most of them were really mean,maybe one or two girls were alright,but it wasn't fun maybe my autistic personality was a bad match, it was a elective class(foods) and I struggled through it and no one would offer to help.



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20 Sep 2005, 7:21 am

vetivert wrote:
interestingly, statistics show that boys do better in mixed schools, whilst girls do better in single-sex schools (can't find the source just at the mo, but it's fairly ubiquitous research, and is re-iterated every few years or so, just in case we didn't get the point). now, i wonder why that is...? ;)

there is no significant difference in the bullying in girls' schools, however (can't say i ever went to an all-boys school, so can't comment) - the bullying is slightly different, though, in that it's more insidious.


I voted yes in the poll because I remembered a stat like that, AS or no.



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19 Oct 2005, 10:08 am

I studied in an all girls school, and I think it kinda sucked...

I don't know, I get along better with guys, but all my few "friends" are girls because I don't know many guys very well...



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19 Oct 2005, 12:12 pm

When I was at high school, there was one single sex class, that people could choose to be in, but all the kids in that class were considered fags by many other kids. Homophobia was alive and well at my school.


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19 Oct 2005, 9:39 pm

I get along better with women than men, and I'm a guy. Without girls, I'd go insane.


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20 Oct 2005, 9:06 am

I don't know, but I have the feeling that people are nicer or less rough with people of the opposite gender...



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20 Oct 2005, 1:45 pm

Generally it was fellow boys that bullied me so I think I would be like totally misserble in a single gender school. Well my school next year will be single gender for the most part, thankfully its the other gender lol :D .


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09 Nov 2005, 8:46 pm

Odd that you guys all have trouble with the opposite gender.
Until about middle school, it was the opposite for me.
Then most of the girls either became ditzy idiots or grade-obsessed overachievers.

And from 2nd to the end of 6th grade, all my friends were female.

To note though, all of the males I get along with have some sort of major issue (AS, ADHD to the point where they seem to actually have it{as opposed to the oh, I'm a shrink, I'll diagnose you with it to sell some medicine type}, or drug abuse issues), or are even nerdier than I am (two boys in my Con Law class for instance who discuss roleplaying games until class starts).

So I'm still not really sure. And I got along fine with the girls in Students 4 Peace and with the newest member of the EAC (the only other two females there were overachievers), though these are pretty much the only females of about my age I know beyond a name and beyond the one girl I'd currently call a friend (though all but one of my female cousins are within 1 1/2-3 years of age from me).

I'm not all that fond of people in general though, and hate spending more than about 4 hours at a time with people (so you can imagine how I am by the end of school).

Anywhen, the psychologist at school said that males with AS often get along better with females.

The reverse certainly seems to be true.
The girls I recognize as diagnosed with AS in my school always seem to hang out in groups of boys.

The friend I get along best with is female, but she also has AS, so this also complicates things. Certainly worthy of a study.



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10 Nov 2005, 11:41 am

For myself, I did very well in a small private girls school in high school. Well, I mean I wasn't teased or bullied. Actually, I was quite admired for being the resident artist. Still nobody invited me anywhere, but people were very friendly IN school.

I think I would have done better had depression and anxiety and a certain asocialness not overwhelmed me in high school. Therefore my grades were very bad and I barely graduated.

I think more than anything, a small school is best. And for many people, being with the same sex can makes thing easier. There's less sexual competition I think.

But when I went to public school in my senior year it was a total shock, not because there were guys (since there were guys in my grade school) but that public school was HUGE and there were SOOOOO many students. It was utterly overwhelming.

Same sex can work for some. But I highly recommend smaller schools. And highly involved teachers, too.


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12 Nov 2005, 6:00 am

NT females are more b****y,one of the mainstream highs I went to was an all girls school,and for the few months I was there I hated it,anyone who didn't fit into the social female steriotype was ostracised and abused.
I wonder is this a class thing? (eg,working class,middle class etc).


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13 Nov 2005, 8:16 pm

KingdomOfRats wrote:
NT females are more b****y,one of the mainstream highs I went to was an all girls school,and for the few months I was there I hated it,anyone who didn't fit into the social female steriotype was ostracised and abused.

I've noticed this too.
Fortunately, a large number of girls are fairly geeky, and a few even have AS.
It is true that at my school I'm on better terms with more males than females.

And I think that it's universal, class is not an issue. Some culture sjust hide it better than others.


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01 Sep 2011, 6:08 am

I went to a co-ed kindergarten, all-girls primary and secondary schools, and two co-ed high schools. (As far as I know, all kindergartens, high schools, polytechnics and universities over here are co-ed.)

I was picked on by catty girls in primary and secondary school.

The class I was in at my first high school had an equal number of male and female students. Many people were from single sex schools. Some people from the in-crowd thought it fun to make up stories about who was going out with who, if any guy and girl as much as started chatting a bit more, even in a platonic sense. My good NT guy friend and I were among the targets, and we both thought this situation pretty stupid. I heard from a friend who went to another school that it happened in her class too.

In my second high school there were only 6 girls (including myself) in a class of 26. This probably had to do with the fact that our class was studying Maths and a couple of Science subjects. The female class representative/class president/monitor wanted all the girls to unite into one clique, so even though I got along better with the guys it was extremely awkward for me to keep breaking out of the girl clique to talk to them.

To be fair, I had at least one close friend from each school. :D

So from my experience, it would be best to go to single-sex schools in primary and secondary schools, to avoid the talk about having boyfriends/girlfriends, but to go co-ed by high school to adjust for college and working life.