Do you think college is hard or easy?

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Phagocyte
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06 Dec 2007, 3:25 pm

I am struggling with French, but I'm at the top of my class in English. Again, different subjects, different strengths. Some parts of college is easy, others are rather difficult.

However, personality can also differ. I can be somewhat one-sided and excel at one thing while doing poorly at others.



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08 Dec 2007, 2:07 pm

It would depend on one's major.

My major is geology, and I have to take a lot of math and science. Next semester, I will be taking Calculus I, Structural Geology, and Sedimentation and Stratigraphy.

I had a problem with a chemistry class this past semester, but I talked to my advisor, and she said it was not urgent to take General Chemistry II next semester, and that only Chemistry I was required for any subsequent geology classes. But I still have to take Chem II to graduate.

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10 Dec 2007, 7:11 pm

Do they go to elite schools?

Yes.

Are they studying the wrong subject?

I'm starting to think so.

Do they go to college because they feel obliged to?

No.

Do they have low IQs?

No.

Do they have learning disabilities?

I'm not sure, maybe.

Are they dyslexic?

No.

Is their ADD getting on the way of their learning?

Yes, along with other things.

Do they have a lot of obligations besides schoolwork?

No.

Is their social life consuming all their free time?

What social life?

Are they feigning "humility"?

Only in English...

Are they trying not to intimidate me?

I'm not sure what you mean by that...bully?

Are they confusing graduate school with undergraduate school?

No.


I didn't really like the "invisible" interventions, it's really not necessary.


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10 Dec 2007, 8:45 pm

Well for me,

George Mason was the closest to my mom's house and I end up going to Mason due to JMU and UMW both denied me after Mason accepted me.

The only hard class I had so far was ECON 103 Microeconomics but I passed the class that what matter to me.


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10 Dec 2007, 8:56 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
It would depend on one's major.

My major is geology, and I have to take a lot of math and science. Next semester, I will be taking Calculus I, Structural Geology, and Sedimentation and Stratigraphy.

I had a problem with a chemistry class this past semester, but I talked to my advisor, and she said it was not urgent to take General Chemistry II next semester, and that only Chemistry I was required for any subsequent geology classes. But I still have to take Chem II to graduate.

Tim


Geology is a very good major and you will have a lot of interesting classes!

Calculus is a fun class also :).



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10 Dec 2007, 9:05 pm

Mw99 wrote:
It amuses me whenever I hear someone complain about how much trouble they have with their college work.

Those are some of the questions that pass through my mind when I hear someone tell me that college is supposed to be "tough" and "a lot of work." If you are one of those persons for whom college is difficult, what do you find difficult about it?


If your undergrad is easy, choose an option:
1. you are super-smart
2. you are taking a cupcake major
3. your college is crap
4. any combination of the above

In many of the intro-level humanities courses I've taken, just to get my liberal arts credits out of the way, we have to memorize a TON of useless information. The midterm test would ask for the most minute details from 300+ pages of reading and endless hours of lectures. They don't ask you to understand and explain a topic, that is too easy. Most professors at my school want rediculous levels of detail. You have to study all the time, unless you have a photographic memory, to get an A in these should-be-easy classes. And that's while I spend endless hours working on labs and assignments for the classes in my major. My final project in my intro programming class last year was 1800 lines of code! And I had two weeks to do it while doing other final projects, writing papers, and studying for final exams.

There are some easy professors, but they are few and far between. Almost every professor I've had assumes you are majoring in the course and want to spend your whole week studying it. If this isn't the case, you are probably at a weak college!



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11 Dec 2007, 6:30 am

Stewie wrote:
2. you are taking a cupcake major
3. your college is crap


This is probably what it boils down to, especially considering those vapid, lifeless individuals who manage straight A's.

At my previous college, I didn't even have to study and got put on the Dean's list. Now, at Rutgers, I'm busting my ass for an A, B, and two C's.



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18 Dec 2007, 4:37 pm

Stewie wrote:
Mw99 wrote:
It amuses me whenever I hear someone complain about how much trouble they have with their college work.

Those are some of the questions that pass through my mind when I hear someone tell me that college is supposed to be "tough" and "a lot of work." If you are one of those persons for whom college is difficult, what do you find difficult about it?


If your undergrad is easy, choose an option:
1. you are super-smart
2. you are taking a cupcake major
3. your college is crap
4. any combination of the above

In many of the intro-level humanities courses I've taken, just to get my liberal arts credits out of the way, we have to memorize a TON of useless information. The midterm test would ask for the most minute details from 300+ pages of reading and endless hours of lectures. They don't ask you to understand and explain a topic, that is too easy. Most professors at my school want rediculous levels of detail. You have to study all the time, unless you have a photographic memory, to get an A in these should-be-easy classes. And that's while I spend endless hours working on labs and assignments for the classes in my major. My final project in my intro programming class last year was 1800 lines of code! And I had two weeks to do it while doing other final projects, writing papers, and studying for final exams.

There are some easy professors, but they are few and far between. Almost every professor I've had assumes you are majoring in the course and want to spend your whole week studying it. If this isn't the case, you are probably at a weak college!


This sounds a lot like my school. If you are getting straight A's without studying that usually means that the College you go to is a joke.



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19 Dec 2007, 12:32 am

I'm in college now and I find the classes easy in the sense that I can definitely learn everything on my own well without going to classes. But I am not a fast learner so it does take effort and a lot of time. I am not at an elite college.

What really bothers me about college is that you don't need to understand everything well in order to get a good grade but just beat the majority who parties too much and don't know anything.



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24 Dec 2007, 10:21 am

It is a heck of a lot different if you go to a hard school.

You have to beat people who spend literally 10 hours in the library every day to get the A.



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24 Dec 2007, 11:55 am

sort30030 wrote:
What really bothers me about college is that you don't need to understand everything well in order to get a good grade but just beat the majority who parties too much and don't know anything.


But that's only if they curve the grades.

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It is a heck of a lot different if you go to a hard school.

You have to beat people who spend literally 10 hours in the library every day to get the A.


This is true. We both go to pretty good schools and easy "A's" are hard to come by. I kinda sucked this semester and could have performed a lot better, I don't mean to use my university's rigor as a cop-out. However, when I hear people going on about how they "never studied or attended class and made straight A's" I generally find it more likely to believe that they simply attend an inferior university than they are some sort of super-genius. :roll: The intelligent straight-A students that I have run into still have to work hard.



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24 Dec 2007, 11:08 pm

So far, college has been pretty easy for me.



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24 Dec 2007, 11:20 pm

College hasn't been too bad for me, but not great. I tend to worry about getting B's but I am also a very sloppy worker with poor study habits and who ends up taking a bunch of upper division classes. Part of my problem is that I might be a fool who took too many AP tests and jumped in too far instead of building solid foundations. Or I might have an overfondness for taking an 18 hour load at a school where the average and recommended is 15.



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25 Dec 2007, 8:04 pm

Phagocyte wrote:
sort30030 wrote:
What really bothers me about college is that you don't need to understand everything well in order to get a good grade but just beat the majority who parties too much and don't know anything.


But that's only if they curve the grades.

Brian003 wrote:
It is a heck of a lot different if you go to a hard school.

You have to beat people who spend literally 10 hours in the library every day to get the A.


This is true. We both go to pretty good schools and easy "A's" are hard to come by. I kinda sucked this semester and could have performed a lot better, I don't mean to use my university's rigor as a cop-out. However, when I hear people going on about how they "never studied or attended class and made straight A's" I generally find it more likely to believe that they simply attend an inferior university than they are some sort of super-genius. :roll: The intelligent straight-A students that I have run into still have to work hard.


It is impossible to get an A in any of the hard classes without studying. It doesn't matter how "Super-Smart" you are or how easily you memorize information.

Since most of the material they test you on will be applications of what you learned in class.

So even if you pay attention the whole time to the point of where you could get a 90%+ without even reviewing your notes it won't matter since you won't be tested directly on what you learned in class. You will be tested on applying it to different examples and problems; which can only be mastered through study habits and time(All of which require studying; more-so for some than others).

I'm curious, what school do you go to Phagocyte?

I'm never really liked the rankings personally(I think the Ivy Leagues at the top have always been overrated; and the school I go to is overrated).

You don't need to go to a school that is ranked elite for college to be hard; you simply need to go a school that isn't a party college. A lot of lower ranked Colleges are also very hard....but it all depends on the University.



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25 Dec 2007, 8:46 pm

I study biology at Rutgers University.



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25 Dec 2007, 8:55 pm

Cool, it must be similar to University I go to now.

I liked the University I went to my Sophomore year the best (Its called Oakland University in Rochester Michigan).

It may not be ranked the highest nor the biggest but it was quality education for an affordable price and most importantly without the arrogant crowd.