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Their benefit to humanity is nothing in comparison to research scientists, construction workers, police officers, etc. In short, anyone else. Priests help others for the their own gain; be it emotional or monetary. There was only one Christian, and he died on the cross.
That seems like a matter of subjectivity. The fact that priests non-coercively exist and live satisfactory lives seems like economic proof that their existence is efficient based upon the inter-subjective nature of the economy.
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Maybe they should learn to take strength in themselves, and not in others? Its just a crutch for them, a pitiful one. It sounds more like an enabler in a falsehood. Your just letting the person to live more in their "bad faith" as Sartre puts it.
Why "ought" they do anything? We can argue that there is no reason why they should, but why shouldn't they?
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A moral philosopher has more information on morals than any priest. What modern moralist would not condone Christian's stoning a man for working on the Sabbath, or letting his neighbors rape his daughter in exchange for leaving his friend alone? God is dead, both morally and logically. The morals it claims to hold are empty, as are the answers it gives about the world.
The most powerful information on morals is that there is no information in existence on morals. We have not seen them, we cannot eat them, heck, our persistence in claiming their existence almost seems a matter of dead faith given that moral nihilism seems logical. A divine command theorist might condone these. Prove that there is something that provides real answers as such a thing seems like an impossibility, the best I can see argued is that a system is completely internally inconsistent (in that it cannot be made consistent from any perspective if logic is upheld) and such a thing is difficult to prove as if we invoke a quality with illogical potential such as omnipotence then logical inconsistency ceases to exist.
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Christians have never helped me. My friend from Africa was told they would shoot him if he did not convert. I myself have gone through hell over it. You want morals? Don't look to Christianity.
Ok, Christians suck. Where do we look for moral truth?
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but never establishes an objective truth for such.
Ah, but what makes a truth an objective truth and why are such truths valuable? Considering the power of the church and the money and influence it has, it seems that subjectivity has deemed unprovable things valuable to mankind.
19 Jan 2008, 11:38 pm
