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How would you rate your math skills?
Above average (I'm a math genius) 35%  35%  [ 56 ]
Average (I'm as good at math as everyone else) 23%  23%  [ 37 ]
Below Average (I'm am really bad at math) 42%  42%  [ 67 ]
Total votes : 160

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26 Jul 2011, 8:22 am

I was talented at maths right up until a few years ago - now I'll be lucky to pass it. I get my results in August, I need to have passed it. >.<

The moment it got more complicated... It makes me want to scream. I just don't understand it, or its logic, no matter how many times I try to grasp it! If I have to resit my exam my parents will be hiring a private tutor.



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04 Aug 2011, 4:28 pm

Maybe some of those who are bad at Maths have Dyscalculia.
I'm pretty bad at it, although if you give me a step by step instruction written on a piece of paper (not a verbal instruction), I do much better than usual and can even pass exams and tests excellently.
So those are the symptoms:

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Dyscalculia occurs in people across the whole IQ range, and those who suffer from it often, but not always, also have difficulties with telling time, measurement, spatial reasoning and have a poor sense of direction.

Children with Asperger and dyscalculia can experience problems with:

• Conceptualizing time and judging the passing of time,

• Telling the difference between left and right.

• mentally estimating the measurement of an object or distance

• Inability to grasp and remember mathematical concepts, rules, and sequences

• Telling which of two numbers is the larger

• Relying on 'counting-on' strategies

• Everyday tasks like checking change

• Reading analog clocks

• Keeping score during games

The problem of dyscalculia does not reflect any emotional issues but causes difficulties in mentally connecting with thought processes. Children with dyscalculia and Asperger often need extensive mental strain to solve simple arithmetic tasks. One of their strategies is using their fingers when counting as a visual aid. They can keep on doing this even when they are into the upper grades. They experience severe difficulties in categorizing and have automatisation difficulties.


I don't know what automatisation difficulties are...other than that, I've got almost all of those. I even still use my fingers when counting.



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04 Aug 2011, 6:23 pm

Mayel wrote:
Maybe some of those who are bad at Maths have Dyscalculia.
I'm pretty bad at it, although if you give me a step by step instruction written on a piece of paper (not a verbal instruction), I do much better than usual and can even pass exams and tests excellently.
So those are the symptoms:
Quote:
Dyscalculia occurs in people across the whole IQ range, and those who suffer from it often, but not always, also have difficulties with telling time, measurement, spatial reasoning and have a poor sense of direction.

Children with Asperger and dyscalculia can experience problems with:

• Conceptualizing time and judging the passing of time,

• Telling the difference between left and right.

• mentally estimating the measurement of an object or distance

• Inability to grasp and remember mathematical concepts, rules, and sequences

• Telling which of two numbers is the larger

• Relying on 'counting-on' strategies

• Everyday tasks like checking change

• Reading analog clocks

• Keeping score during games

The problem of dyscalculia does not reflect any emotional issues but causes difficulties in mentally connecting with thought processes. Children with dyscalculia and Asperger often need extensive mental strain to solve simple arithmetic tasks. One of their strategies is using their fingers when counting as a visual aid. They can keep on doing this even when they are into the upper grades. They experience severe difficulties in categorizing and have automatisation difficulties.


I don't know what automatisation difficulties are...other than that, I've got almost all of those. I even still use my fingers when counting.


I've wondered about that. I first heard of dyscalculia a few weeks ago when someone here posted about it. I also have all of those on the list and I still use my figures when counting too.



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05 Aug 2011, 1:17 pm

Mayel wrote:
Maybe some of those who are bad at Maths have Dyscalculia.
I'm pretty bad at it, although if you give me a step by step instruction written on a piece of paper (not a verbal instruction), I do much better than usual and can even pass exams and tests excellently.
So those are the symptoms:
Quote:
Dyscalculia occurs in people across the whole IQ range, and those who suffer from it often, but not always, also have difficulties with telling time, measurement, spatial reasoning and have a poor sense of direction.

Children with Asperger and dyscalculia can experience problems with:

• Conceptualizing time and judging the passing of time,

• Telling the difference between left and right.

• mentally estimating the measurement of an object or distance

• Inability to grasp and remember mathematical concepts, rules, and sequences

• Telling which of two numbers is the larger

• Relying on 'counting-on' strategies

• Everyday tasks like checking change

• Reading analog clocks

• Keeping score during games

The problem of dyscalculia does not reflect any emotional issues but causes difficulties in mentally connecting with thought processes. Children with dyscalculia and Asperger often need extensive mental strain to solve simple arithmetic tasks. One of their strategies is using their fingers when counting as a visual aid. They can keep on doing this even when they are into the upper grades. They experience severe difficulties in categorizing and have automatisation difficulties.


I don't know what automatisation difficulties are...other than that, I've got almost all of those. I even still use my fingers when counting.


So that's what I have! Awesome!

I got my PSAT scores back with a perfect score in Writing, a perfect score in Reading, and a note on Maths saying that I needed to practice basic counting. Do I remember my grades? Nope, they were numbers! I also get lost in my own house occasionally, have never been able to estimate measurements, and time for me is totally "a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff" :D

I passed my maths classes with decent grades because the first few were online, and I did the lessons and tests with the book open in front of me, reading the written (verbal) directions, and because my college maths class was Maths for the Liberal Arts, in which we did logic problems and wrote a paper on the the Irish Potato Famine. No, really. I got an A in a maths class and freaked my parents out so much.



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05 Aug 2011, 1:20 pm

Though I prefer analog clocks - anybody else? Because it allows you to count time, like counting on your fingers. A digital clock, if you want to tell how far apart times are, makes you do the problem in your head. On an analog clock, all the numbers are arranged there already, you just count around the circle. Does that make sense?



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05 Aug 2011, 2:17 pm

White-Rose-Tree wrote:
Mayel wrote:
Maybe some of those who are bad at Maths have Dyscalculia.
I'm pretty bad at it, although if you give me a step by step instruction written on a piece of paper (not a verbal instruction), I do much better than usual and can even pass exams and tests excellently.
So those are the symptoms:
Quote:
Dyscalculia occurs in people across the whole IQ range, and those who suffer from it often, but not always, also have difficulties with telling time, measurement, spatial reasoning and have a poor sense of direction.

Children with Asperger and dyscalculia can experience problems with:

• Conceptualizing time and judging the passing of time,

• Telling the difference between left and right.

• mentally estimating the measurement of an object or distance

• Inability to grasp and remember mathematical concepts, rules, and sequences

• Telling which of two numbers is the larger

• Relying on 'counting-on' strategies

• Everyday tasks like checking change

• Reading analog clocks

• Keeping score during games

The problem of dyscalculia does not reflect any emotional issues but causes difficulties in mentally connecting with thought processes. Children with dyscalculia and Asperger often need extensive mental strain to solve simple arithmetic tasks. One of their strategies is using their fingers when counting as a visual aid. They can keep on doing this even when they are into the upper grades. They experience severe difficulties in categorizing and have automatisation difficulties.


I don't know what automatisation difficulties are...other than that, I've got almost all of those. I even still use my fingers when counting.


So that's what I have! Awesome!

I got my PSAT scores back with a perfect score in Writing, a perfect score in Reading, and a note on Maths saying that I needed to practice basic counting. Do I remember my grades? Nope, they were numbers! I also get lost in my own house occasionally, have never been able to estimate measurements, and time for me is totally "a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey stuff" :D

I passed my maths classes with decent grades because the first few were online, and I did the lessons and tests with the book open in front of me, reading the written (verbal) directions, and because my college maths class was Maths for the Liberal Arts, in which we did logic problems and wrote a paper on the the Irish Potato Famine. No, really. I got an A in a maths class and freaked my parents out so much.



I can identify with that: I almost got a perfect score on the reading and writing parts of the SAT as well. My math score was so bad that it's not even worth mentioning. :oops:

I wish I could write papers for my math classes! I would rather write ten papers than have to pass 4 math exams... :(



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05 Aug 2011, 2:18 pm

White-Rose-Tree wrote:
Though I prefer analog clocks - anybody else? Because it allows you to count time, like counting on your fingers. A digital clock, if you want to tell how far apart times are, makes you do the problem in your head. On an analog clock, all the numbers are arranged there already, you just count around the circle. Does that make sense?


I never thought about it like that before! :P



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05 Aug 2011, 3:41 pm

White-Rose-Tree wrote:
Though I prefer analog clocks - anybody else? Because it allows you to count time, like counting on your fingers. A digital clock, if you want to tell how far apart times are, makes you do the problem in your head. On an analog clock, all the numbers are arranged there already, you just count around the circle. Does that make sense?

I don't like analog clocks because you have to count time. Imagine you don't have any means with you to tell time so you'll ask someone and they'll just show you their analog wrist-watch for 5 seconds because that's the average amount of time people need to read an analog clock but you need longer so you have to ask again or stare longer...and I don't like those kind of situations.
But I see what you're getting at. You can see short or long amounts of time instantly, you can't do that with a digital clock. I guess they have both their advantages and disadvantages.



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05 Aug 2011, 7:49 pm

I am definitely the stereotypical math geek (800/800 on the SAT without studying), but I am below average at reading comprehension (got like a 500 something in reading). I think in patterns, and because that's all math is its very obvious to me. My sister is the exact opposite. She could read and understand Dostoyevsky and Shakespeare at 15, something that would be nearly impossible for me at 20, but always struggled with math.

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I wish I could write papers for my math classes! I would rather write ten papers than have to pass 4 math exams...


Writing papers is one of my least favorite things ever. God I hate research papers so much, and creative papers even more.



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05 Aug 2011, 10:01 pm

Mayel wrote:
White-Rose-Tree wrote:
Though I prefer analog clocks - anybody else? Because it allows you to count time, like counting on your fingers. A digital clock, if you want to tell how far apart times are, makes you do the problem in your head. On an analog clock, all the numbers are arranged there already, you just count around the circle. Does that make sense?

I don't like analog clocks because you have to count time. Imagine you don't have any means with you to tell time so you'll ask someone and they'll just show you their analog wrist-watch for 5 seconds because that's the average amount of time people need to read an analog clock but you need longer so you have to ask again or stare longer...and I don't like those kind of situations.
But I see what you're getting at. You can see short or long amounts of time instantly, you can't do that with a digital clock. I guess they have both their advantages and disadvantages.


I've trained myself to put my watch on the way I put my glasses on. When I get up in the morning and leave my bedroom. That way you always have a time-keeping device with you, the awkward situation only arises if your watch stops. And then (depending on how bad with numbers you are...) you won't be able to read a digital watch flashed in five seconds either so you've got a problem either way!

I've also trained my friends/family to know better than to ask me what time it is, it takes me five seconds of staring at most watches to tell them :D



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06 Aug 2011, 1:43 am

White-Rose-Tree wrote:
I've trained myself to put my watch on the way I put my glasses on. When I get up in the morning and leave my bedroom. That way you always have a time-keeping device with you, the awkward situation only arises if your watch stops. And then (depending on how bad with numbers you are...) you won't be able to read a digital watch flashed in five seconds either so you've got a problem either way!

I've also trained my friends/family to know better than to ask me what time it is, it takes me five seconds of staring at most watches to tell them :D

I don't have any problem reading digital watches. :)
It's not so much about reading numbers than estimating and having a natural feel for quantities. That's my problem.
I normally always take something with me to read time but you never know.

But I guess everybody with such problems has their very own way to deal with it.



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06 Aug 2011, 9:20 pm

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I can identify with that: I almost got a perfect score on the reading and writing parts of the SAT as well. My math score was so bad that it's not even worth mentioning. :oops:

In the OP you claim to have scored 620 and 600, respectively, on the reading and writing portions of the SAT. For the record, neither of those scores are particularly close to perfect (a perfect score is 800). Moderately above average, sure, but not really that high.


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11 Aug 2011, 4:22 pm

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Math has always been my weakest subject. Sometimes I might be okay at it, but most of the time I struggle just to make a passing grade. I can do basic math and basic algebra, but anything beyond that just overwhelms and fries my brain. :x
I am not that bad at maths I am just a slow as a snail. I am worse in subtraction and division than I am in multiplication and additon.
I didnt understand subtraction at first took some time till I grasped it. generally I am terrible at mental stuff I am much better when I can see the numbers written down. The stuff that fries my brain comes later such as calculus I suck badly at calculus and analysis.



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11 Aug 2011, 4:28 pm

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Meh, not really... I would barely count calculus as math. Stuff below that doesn't really count as anything.


Ouch! That hurts.... So the thing with numbers that I like to do, you know, like put them in equations, sort them out logically, and see how they correlate with different equations and graphs isn't math.....boy have I been wasting my time on this strange number obsession my school has implemented.


Well, yes actually. The only reason why we have algebra in school is to build a foundation for calculus.

And even up through calculus, there isn't much thought required. You just follow instructions that are fed to you, and everything will come out correctly. There is no need to understand anything, or to have much of any idea what you are doing.
My problem is that I can never remember those spoon fed rules especially not in vector calculation or differential calculation.

I was teh suck once I was at uni because I can't do a lot with greek letters and negative roots and latin laetters. , just no frigin numbers left just some stupid sums from n to infinity and lots of equation of whi I have no clue how to go and prove them...



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11 Aug 2011, 4:39 pm

maths is fun, i enjoy the problem solving aspect. Just treat it as a game.



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11 Aug 2011, 4:53 pm

By the way I am getting more and more confused with american high school. do you actually have courses on there like courses at uni? In Germany shere are subjects that you have to take no matter how much you loathe them, and then there are subjects which you can choose not to take (and some years have subjects which you take additionally but thats only in certain years)

Every subject that hasnt got anything written after it is compulsory for all of your time at school.
Bildende Kunst/ Art(voluntary from year 12 on)

Biologie (voluntary from year 12 on but 2 sciences have to be taken and 1 in year 13)

Chemie /chemistry (voluntary from year 11 on)

Darstellendes Spiel (elective subject (theatre)

Deutsch German

Englisch (from year 5 compulsory)

Erdkunde Geography (interchangeable with history or economics in year 13,)

Französich (if second foreign language has to be taken for 4 years)

Geschichte History (from year 6)

Informatik (voluntary elective)

Latein

Mathematik

Methodik only in year 11 to 13

Musik elective if school offers it(compulsive in sec 1 and primarx)

Philosophie depends on school interchangable with religion

Physik see chemistry and biology(from year 7)

Spanisch voluntary

Sport

Technik

Wirtschaft /politik interchangeable with history and geography but quite unpopular.

so and now the curriculum of Maths in year 11 to 13 (the last highschool years leading up to a diploma which enable to go to university )

year 11 :
Jahrgangsstufe 11: Differentialrechnung - Affine Geome-
trie - Wahrscheinlichkeitsrechnung

year 12

Grundkurs 12.1: Integralrechnung - Metrische Geometrie (integrals and metric geometry)
Grundkurs 12.2: Exponentialfunktionen - Wahrscheinlichkeitsverteilungen(exponential functions and possibility distribution(gauss and his freinds)

year 13

differentials and statistics or computer related stuff(I just see that it changed the lucky bastards .