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05 Jun 2008, 12:05 am

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Ask anyone who knows me and they'll say I study, easily, for 4-5 hours a day.

I've always felt it to be take no prisoners. I don't even like asking questions in class :?
I study around the same, IF not more



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05 Jun 2008, 12:13 am

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Ask anyone who knows me and they'll say I study, easily, for 4-5 hours a day.

I've always felt it to be take no prisoners. I don't even like asking questions in class :?
I study around the same, IF not more


Well, as my psychologist said : If you can pull off A work without a diagnosis of Aspergers, why do you need it? You're just running away from more responsibility.

I've taken that to heart, and realized it would of been the most embarrassing thing I could of done. I don't want to shirk off work; I'll do it all on my own, no help at all. At the end , my pride won't allow me to take help now. :|

But, in that regard, I liked time tests where I rock it and then come out like "YEAH I BEAT THAT TESTS ASS!" I still remember some of the 48 hour programming tests I had, where I was up until the last second I could turn it in, and I finally got that last step of the problem perfected, and turned it in for a perfect score. Those were some heart pounding moments, and I the amount I accomplishment I felt was doubled :queen:

So, In regards to my initial post, who else loves that "riding the razors edge" trying to not miss the deadline, exams? Its like an action movie :P



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05 Jun 2008, 8:23 am

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So, In regards to my initial post, who else loves that "riding the razors edge" trying to not miss the deadline, exams? Its like an action movie :P


I used to like it,while I was at highschool I just kicked asses in all tests. But I don´t do anymore, since I came here and I am failing each exam I do-and I fail it more times if it´s possible to repeat it, and it´s hitting my nerves because this is a way more seriou study than ihigh-school was. I´m so helpless about exams. :roll: :x :cry: :? :(



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05 Jun 2008, 8:50 am

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Well, as my psychologist said : If you can pull off A work without a diagnosis of Aspergers, why do you need it? You're just running away from more responsibility.


Fair enough, but I'd say there's other factors involved too. LD can often be a huge source of pain and anguish (especially when younger) when a LD student has to confront difficulties head on. Total props to anyone who overcomes an LD through sheer force and will of mind, but the idea that a LD student is "shirking" some kind of responsibility is counter productive.

For example, people with LD's tend to experience the following (copied from wikipedia):

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* Ashamed of the types of difficulties they struggle with, such as poor literacy skills, attention or memory difficulties
* Fear of failure, criticism, ridicule or rejection
* Fear of discrimination
* Fear that others may think that they are stupid or incapable
* Ashamed that they are unable to read or that they have poor handwriting
* Left out of every day discussions due to lack of understanding
* Depressed
* Alone
* "Learned helplessness"


Except for the "learned helplessness", most of these have to do with the (unwarranted) feelings that many have that they're just not trying hard enough, or that they're not smart enough, or they're not taking responsibility for their learning (and etc), regardless of grades or resulting work.

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So, In regards to my initial post, who else loves that "riding the razors edge" trying to not miss the deadline, exams? Its like an action movie :P


I tend to be on the more hate-deadlines side of things, where I get stressed out and I don't particularly like deadlines and time pressure - which is fine, it just means I put in some extra in advance to avoid last minute stress.

I do admit to enjoying when I happen to go and totally rock an exam, that does feel pretty good :)



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05 Jun 2008, 10:50 am

hey gues what WP I have a 3 hour exam


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05 Jun 2008, 12:46 pm

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My philosophy is that you rise above the limitations nature has put on you, and always strive for the top, and never take help.


I agree with that work ethic. I tend to think most of the time, "Always do more than is required of you" and I had a teacher who encouraged this.

I tend to ignore any limitations that people say, such as "Well, a high grade in [subject] isn't important for what you want to do" and "It would be fine if you could get just a B or even a C", because that is how people become complacent.

This work ethic has worked impeccably well for me. However, I don't agree with people pushing themselves so hard to the extent that they end up worrying and feeling insecure - people do need to relax sometimes and appreciate their success.


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05 Jun 2008, 12:47 pm

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My philosophy is that you rise above the limitations nature has put on you, and always strive for the top, and never take help.


I agree with that work ethic. I tend to think most of the time, "Always do more than is required of you" and I had a teacher who encouraged this.

I tend to ignore any limitations that people say, such as "Well, a high grade in [subject] isn't important for what you want to do" and "It would be fine if you could get just a B or even a C", because that is how people become complacent.

This work ethic has worked impeccably well for me. However, I don't agree with people pushing themselves so hard to the extent that they end up worrying and feeling insecure - people do need to relax sometimes and appreciate their success.


Yeah. I always figured it was because I was a minority, and people are like "Yeah thats good enough.. for a Mexican!". Well, thats what they want to say , :P So I have to not take anything from anyone, and just prove myself by myself :S.

If I don't have a deadline, I get lazy and am like "Ugh I'll do it tommoroW". With deadlines I'm like "AHH! CRAP!! !". I've met a ton of people who have echoed the fact that if they don't get deadlines, they end up not doing it too :P.

Sometimes I get worked up about it. If I continue it for too long, I get burnt out. I'm glad this semester is almost over! :)



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05 Jun 2008, 5:47 pm

Kalister1 wrote:
ebec11 wrote:
Kalister1 wrote:
Ask anyone who knows me and they'll say I study, easily, for 4-5 hours a day.

I've always felt it to be take no prisoners. I don't even like asking questions in class :?
I study around the same, IF not more


Well, as my psychologist said : If you can pull off A work without a diagnosis of Aspergers, why do you need it? You're just running away from more responsibility.

I've taken that to heart, and realized it would of been the most embarrassing thing I could of done. I don't want to shirk off work; I'll do it all on my own, no help at all. At the end , my pride won't allow me to take help now. :|

But, in that regard, I liked time tests where I rock it and then come out like "YEAH I BEAT THAT TESTS ASS!" I still remember some of the 48 hour programming tests I had, where I was up until the last second I could turn it in, and I finally got that last step of the problem perfected, and turned it in for a perfect score. Those were some heart pounding moments, and I the amount I accomplishment I felt was doubled :queen:

So, In regards to my initial post, who else loves that "riding the razors edge" trying to not miss the deadline, exams? Its like an action movie :P
Well, I'm Autistic and was diagnosised at 18 months. People didn't even think I would speak, so I think it doesn't make me a worse person for wanting a bit of extended time in order to stay in a regular school. It doesn't make me dumb...it makes me logical because I would have constant meltdowns without it.



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05 Jun 2008, 6:00 pm

ebec11 wrote:
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ebec11 wrote:
Kalister1 wrote:
Ask anyone who knows me and they'll say I study, easily, for 4-5 hours a day.

I've always felt it to be take no prisoners. I don't even like asking questions in class :?
I study around the same, IF not more


Well, as my psychologist said : If you can pull off A work without a diagnosis of Aspergers, why do you need it? You're just running away from more responsibility.

I've taken that to heart, and realized it would of been the most embarrassing thing I could of done. I don't want to shirk off work; I'll do it all on my own, no help at all. At the end , my pride won't allow me to take help now. :|

But, in that regard, I liked time tests where I rock it and then come out like "YEAH I BEAT THAT TESTS ASS!" I still remember some of the 48 hour programming tests I had, where I was up until the last second I could turn it in, and I finally got that last step of the problem perfected, and turned it in for a perfect score. Those were some heart pounding moments, and I the amount I accomplishment I felt was doubled :queen:

So, In regards to my initial post, who else loves that "riding the razors edge" trying to not miss the deadline, exams? Its like an action movie :P
Well, I'm Autistic and was diagnosised at 18 months. People didn't even think I would speak, so I think it doesn't make me a worse person for wanting a bit of extended time in order to stay in a regular school. It doesn't make me dumb...it makes me logical because I would have constant meltdowns without it.


As I said, those with Aspergers are said to have it only effect social portions of their mind, and do not need more time in doing logic problems. It wouldn't be fair to the other students to give them one.

School becomes a competition later on. You wouldn't give a slower runner a race car in the Olympics, because that wouldn't be fair.



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05 Jun 2008, 6:28 pm

Kalister1 wrote:
ebec11 wrote:
Kalister1 wrote:
ebec11 wrote:
Kalister1 wrote:
Ask anyone who knows me and they'll say I study, easily, for 4-5 hours a day.

I've always felt it to be take no prisoners. I don't even like asking questions in class :?
I study around the same, IF not more


Well, as my psychologist said : If you can pull off A work without a diagnosis of Aspergers, why do you need it? You're just running away from more responsibility.

I've taken that to heart, and realized it would of been the most embarrassing thing I could of done. I don't want to shirk off work; I'll do it all on my own, no help at all. At the end , my pride won't allow me to take help now. :|

But, in that regard, I liked time tests where I rock it and then come out like "YEAH I BEAT THAT TESTS ASS!" I still remember some of the 48 hour programming tests I had, where I was up until the last second I could turn it in, and I finally got that last step of the problem perfected, and turned it in for a perfect score. Those were some heart pounding moments, and I the amount I accomplishment I felt was doubled :queen:

So, In regards to my initial post, who else loves that "riding the razors edge" trying to not miss the deadline, exams? Its like an action movie :P
Well, I'm Autistic and was diagnosised at 18 months. People didn't even think I would speak, so I think it doesn't make me a worse person for wanting a bit of extended time in order to stay in a regular school. It doesn't make me dumb...it makes me logical because I would have constant meltdowns without it.


As I said, those with Aspergers are said to have it only effect social portions of their mind, and do not need more time in doing logic problems. It wouldn't be fair to the other students to give them one.

School becomes a competition later on. You wouldn't give a slower runner a race car in the Olympics, because that wouldn't be fair.
I get what you're saying. Just be careful with the generalization, as some people's Aspergers does affect their ability at school (can't stand noise, easier to get anxiety, etc), so it's not just social that's affected.



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05 Jun 2008, 9:21 pm

ebec11 wrote:
Kalister1 wrote:
ebec11 wrote:
Kalister1 wrote:
ebec11 wrote:
Kalister1 wrote:
Ask anyone who knows me and they'll say I study, easily, for 4-5 hours a day.

I've always felt it to be take no prisoners. I don't even like asking questions in class :?
I study around the same, IF not more


Well, as my psychologist said : If you can pull off A work without a diagnosis of Aspergers, why do you need it? You're just running away from more responsibility.

I've taken that to heart, and realized it would of been the most embarrassing thing I could of done. I don't want to shirk off work; I'll do it all on my own, no help at all. At the end , my pride won't allow me to take help now. :|

But, in that regard, I liked time tests where I rock it and then come out like "YEAH I BEAT THAT TESTS ASS!" I still remember some of the 48 hour programming tests I had, where I was up until the last second I could turn it in, and I finally got that last step of the problem perfected, and turned it in for a perfect score. Those were some heart pounding moments, and I the amount I accomplishment I felt was doubled :queen:

So, In regards to my initial post, who else loves that "riding the razors edge" trying to not miss the deadline, exams? Its like an action movie :P
Well, I'm Autistic and was diagnosised at 18 months. People didn't even think I would speak, so I think it doesn't make me a worse person for wanting a bit of extended time in order to stay in a regular school. It doesn't make me dumb...it makes me logical because I would have constant meltdowns without it.


As I said, those with Aspergers are said to have it only effect social portions of their mind, and do not need more time in doing logic problems. It wouldn't be fair to the other students to give them one.

School becomes a competition later on. You wouldn't give a slower runner a race car in the Olympics, because that wouldn't be fair.
I get what you're saying. Just be careful with the generalization, as some people's Aspergers does affect their ability at school (can't stand noise, easier to get anxiety, etc), so it's not just social that's affected.


Oh, then they should have exceptions for that. Noise and stuff is no fair if you can't stand it. That doesn't matter at all, compared to time.



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05 Jun 2008, 9:40 pm

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@Kalister1: I need extended time too, as*hole. >_>


Well, the problem with that is you are competing for a very few spots, and you only get a limited amount of time. It is testing just how good you are at your subject. It wouldn't be fair if you get more time than the other students, who are also competing for the same spots.

Anyone can solve anything given enough time. Can you solve it in a VERY limited amount of time? The amount of study required goes up exponentially with each period of time shaved off, and it means you really know your subject, enough so you have near instant recall of anything from the entire course.

This also leads to smaller class sizes, and more dedicated professors, as many of the people who can't cope with this quickly drop. The professors who do this kind of weeding out usually do it because "they want to make sure all students who take them KNOW their subject", in other words they don't want you getting into the next class with only a limited command of the subject.

If you are able to do timed tests quickly, this means that the professor can also teach faster. Those who can't do it quickly are left at the wayside, allowing the rest of the class to progress at the required speed.

I just like to know that I don't need anything to help me, any crutch, as I find pushing myself harder and harder against a time limit is the best way to learn. I don't want anyone coming by later and said "oh, but you got extra time on the test!". Extra time on some of the tests I have taken is the difference between a C and an A, so it really does matter.

Its not being an as*hole. Its being fair to all the students, who are all competing for a select number of spots. If everyone got an A (grade inflation), then there would be no way to weed out the bad students from the good students when the receiving school reviews that transfer paper.
True, but lacking in complexity.
I did need extra time at first (sorry for not saying so) but got better at tests in general because I was homeschooled.
Depending on the subject, I may even be the first person to finish the test. :3
And just cuz I'm a bit slower than other students doesn't mean I'm not smart:
I got the Outstanding Achievement Award in German 2, for the highest grade of graduating seniors, and was in the top 3% of my class or higher, and one of (if not the highest) ranking MALE senior in my graduating class in my HS. a HS that's in the top 2% in the country in a class that has about 75% percent of its students on the honor roll, and is the best and biggest my school has ever seen.



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05 Jun 2008, 10:23 pm

If you can't keep your insults to yourself, I'll be reporting you to the mod. Anyone else have anything constructive?



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If you can't keep your insults to yourself, I'll be reporting you to the mod. Anyone else have anything constructive?
Ok, I'll admit, I went over the top with those ones, however, my points still stand.



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If you can't keep your insults to yourself, I'll be reporting you to the mod. Anyone else have anything constructive?
Ok, I'll admit, I went over the top with those ones, however, my points still stand.


I don't think my pride would allow me to say I took help. I once had a conversation with someone who said the only reason Mexicans can get into a top University is through the measures for equality enacted during the 1970's in the United States.

Is it arrogant if I want to show that I don't need any help? If I take any help, someone can simply say I was weak and didn't do it properly.

Call it pride, call it arrogance, I rather have that then the opposite, an inferiority complex.

It feels very good to be able to say I didn't need help from anyone. The people we look up to most in society are those that pulled themselves up by their boot strings.

This is my philosophy. It might be too harsh for you, so take it or leave it. Many people have said that living life according to a Nietzschean point of view "isn't practical". Thats fine. Some people have pointed out that those same people could never handle holding themselves up to those same standards - I wouldn't know, I haven't examined the question enough.



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If you can't keep your insults to yourself, I'll be reporting you to the mod. Anyone else have anything constructive?
Ok, I'll admit, I went over the top with those ones, however, my points still stand.


I don't think my pride would allow me to say I took help. I once had a conversation with someone who said the only reason Mexicans can get into a top University is through the measures for equality enacted during the 1970's in the United States.

Is it arrogant if I want to show that I don't need any help? If I take any help, someone can simply say I was weak and didn't do it properly.

Call it pride, call it arrogance, I rather have that then the opposite, an inferiority complex.
That person strikes me as racist. You have to judge people individually.

I can understand your point.
However, for my case, I find it more rewarding to have said inferiority complex. It keeps you on your toes, competitive and more open to change.
Not to say I'd not rather be in middle of two.

You see, I'm one of those people who would have fallen in the cracks, were it not for the help of those people, and of those measures (time extentions etc), to help boost me up, and make me better, both academically, and especially socially. :)
In my experience, about half of your education, both social AND academic comes from your classmates. Even colleges would say they'd rather have someone with a C in an AP class over someone with an A in its regular counterpart.
And even if worst comes to worst, and I were to end up in high end place like MIT but didn't "deserve" to be there, I would certainly at least try my hardest to be the best I can be during that time there. I would still try to soak up what I can, and still try to show the world (as I often am forced) that I AM the person they want for the job/school etc there. :)
Whether that means, learning when it's appropriate to accept help, and when to dissent, and try to even help others.

And while I'm at it,
Thanks for helping pushing me towards that happy medium of humble vs. arrogant, via these convo's. :) It's been fun. n.n