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29 Jun 2013, 6:11 pm

Why is it to expensive for a lot of colleges or university's (post secondary school) in the UK and other parts of the world to provide very good quality learning support to autistic students?

Although many schools do not provide great support to autistic pupils there a lot that do indeed give children VERY good quality learning support.


I am not only talking about learning support either I am also referring to emotional support/help for college students.



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29 Jun 2013, 7:03 pm

Because it can be.


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29 Jun 2013, 7:27 pm

Fnord wrote:
Because it can be.




Why?



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29 Jun 2013, 9:33 pm

Your question begs a larger debate about the cost of education in general.

Autistic people are a small, small minority of students, and the needs of a disabled student varies from one situation to another.

Overall, it is cost effective to make a building wheelchair accessible. Providing assistance to deaf students is more problematic and costly, and hard to pull off on a moment's notice.

Then, who pays for it?

Other than a school that specializes in dealing with people of a given disability, ordinary schools simply cannot budget for every possible need.



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29 Jun 2013, 9:43 pm

School costs, at least in the US, have skyrocketed. My first semester after I got out of the Navy in 1984 was $130 for five courses. My last semester of grad school in 1995 was $1,100 for four courses. Since the education received isn't any better, prices increases to almost ten times are criminal, since we need education to do well in life.



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30 Jun 2013, 11:37 pm

Thelibrarian wrote:
School costs, at least in the US, have skyrocketed. My first semester after I got out of the Navy in 1984 was $130 for five courses. My last semester of grad school in 1995 was $1,100 for four courses. Since the education received isn't any better, prices increases to almost ten times are criminal, since we need education to do well in life.


It's the free market. People should just boycott school.



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30 Jun 2013, 11:54 pm

1000Knives wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
School costs, at least in the US, have skyrocketed. My first semester after I got out of the Navy in 1984 was $130 for five courses. My last semester of grad school in 1995 was $1,100 for four courses. Since the education received isn't any better, prices increases to almost ten times are criminal, since we need education to do well in life.
It's the free market. People should just boycott school.

Yes ... boycott education entirely ... become a nation of ignorant, illiterate buffoons living on the dole ... watch even more high-tech jobs be outsourced to foreigners ...


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01 Jul 2013, 5:09 am

Its not just expensive for Autistics, its like that for everyone, its the new Mortgage in the absence of available housing, to get you in life-long debt.

Back in my day, you left school at 16 and got a job or an apprenticeship, only the rich did things like go to colleague or University.
Nowadays it seems every kid has to go to university to have any hope of a job, even though it has no relationship with the topic studied.

Seems to have become a money making scam were instead of being paid to work, you now have to pay them to have a job. .



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01 Jul 2013, 8:26 am

Fnord wrote:
1000Knives wrote:
People should just boycott school.

Yes ... boycott education entirely ... become a nation of ignorant, illiterate buffoons living on the dole ... watch even more high-tech jobs be outsourced to foreigners ...


Well, not like that, but if everyone banded together and refused to pay the extortion-level rates of education and demanded the schools keep education affordable, the prices wouldn't be so high.

I personally hold that student loans is why education costs skyrocket. The easy means to pay for the cost of attendance eliminates the natural forces restraining how much they go up.



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01 Jul 2013, 9:40 am

zer0netgain wrote:
Fnord wrote:
1000Knives wrote:
People should just boycott school.

Yes ... boycott education entirely ... become a nation of ignorant, illiterate buffoons living on the dole ... watch even more high-tech jobs be outsourced to foreigners ...


Well, not like that, but if everyone banded together and refused to pay the extortion-level rates of education and demanded the schools keep education affordable, the prices wouldn't be so high.

I personally hold that student loans is why education costs skyrocket. The easy means to pay for the cost of attendance eliminates the natural forces restraining how much they go up.


Zero, I agree with student loans being part of the problem. I also think that because of our distorted economic system that too many people attend college who don't belong there.

As I worked all day, I had to attend school at night with other people in the same situation. This was at the time when Mexicans began displacing American construction workers in a big way. These displaced Americans were some of my fellow classmates. They didn't belong in an academic environment; they were only there because they felt they had no choice--at least if they wanted to be able to support themselves and their families.



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11 Jul 2013, 8:34 am

Unfortunately the college system is huge business. The top Universities have higher budgets than some nation's GDP



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11 Jul 2013, 8:43 am

Why does college in general cost so much...why should one have to buy knowledge? that is how I feel about it.


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11 Jul 2013, 8:47 am

Fnord wrote:
1000Knives wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
School costs, at least in the US, have skyrocketed. My first semester after I got out of the Navy in 1984 was $130 for five courses. My last semester of grad school in 1995 was $1,100 for four courses. Since the education received isn't any better, prices increases to almost ten times are criminal, since we need education to do well in life.
It's the free market. People should just boycott school.

Yes ... boycott education entirely ... become a nation of ignorant, illiterate buffoons living on the dole ... watch even more high-tech jobs be outsourced to foreigners ...


Its not as though one cannot learn without attending a college there are books, the internet and even documentaries...all college provides is overpriced classroom organized education. Of course it is not a bad thing but if one has to attend one not to be an ignorant, illitarate buffoon living on the dole that says a lot of bad things about humanity.

People seriously wouldn't learn things without college? good god humans are dumb.


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11 Jul 2013, 9:31 am

Sweetleaf wrote:
Fnord wrote:
1000Knives wrote:
Thelibrarian wrote:
School costs, at least in the US, have skyrocketed. My first semester after I got out of the Navy in 1984 was $130 for five courses. My last semester of grad school in 1995 was $1,100 for four courses. Since the education received isn't any better, prices increases to almost ten times are criminal, since we need education to do well in life.
It's the free market. People should just boycott school.

Yes ... boycott education entirely ... become a nation of ignorant, illiterate buffoons living on the dole ... watch even more high-tech jobs be outsourced to foreigners ...


Its not as though one cannot learn without attending a college there are books, the internet and even documentaries...all college provides is overpriced classroom organized education. Of course it is not a bad thing but if one has to attend one not to be an ignorant, illitarate buffoon living on the dole that says a lot of bad things about humanity.

People seriously wouldn't learn things without college? good god humans are dumb.


Sweetleaf, though I have a bachelor's in philosophy and a master's in library science, ultimately I'm what is called an autodidact, or somebody who is self-taught. I barely graduated high school because instead of listening to the teachers, I would usually bring a book to class, read, and tune the teacher out. It was only in college that I forced myself to pay attention in class and graduate, as a means to an end, namely gainful employment.

Education is important simply because it lets a prospective employer feel confident that a job candidate has acquired certain skills. But I think ultimately all real education is self-taught. Even in college, most of the learning done comes from reading assigned materials independently.



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12 Jul 2013, 5:36 am

I think that they charge a lot simply because they can. In my experience though the far greater costs are simply living costs such as rent/food/utilities. And if you're going to school full-time, it's unreasonable to expect that you'll have any sort of decent income (and if you do, you'll probably be pulling your hair out and screaming from school/work taking up 80hrs a week)



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15 Jul 2013, 12:55 pm

I have been going to college full time for 10 years, more or less. In the 4 years it took to get my BS, the tuition costs went from $3400 (USD) per full time semester my freshman year to $5850 my senior year. I worked full time for most of my college time (sometimes with an extra part time job, too), so I never really did much else (except sleep occasionally). I do have 3 degrees, but I also have $36,000 in student loans, even with all the money I got from the Montgomery GI Bill (all of which went towards tuition).

Unfortunately, it is difficult to get a job that pays a "living wage" without formal higher education. Even a lot of technical schools that provide certificates are not enough these days; most employers are looking for at least a 2 year degree.

I would have to say that knowledge and ability don't seem to matter in the real world; all that seems to matter is that magical piece of paper you get at the end that says you're supposed to know what you are talking about.


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