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Do you want me to post the graph when I'm done?
Poll ended at 03 Sep 2011, 4:11 pm
Yes 85%  85%  [ 17 ]
No 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I don't care 15%  15%  [ 3 ]
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26 Sep 2010, 3:27 pm

Stonecold wrote:
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Again, I have methods to compensate for all of that.

You have no idea what percentage of the "Online now" count are web crawlers.


Again, you are assuming the only variable I have is the "Online now" that people submit. I have many other sources for required variables. One of them is Wrong Planet's robots.txt policy. If you want to know more details about this "graph" I'm making, PM me. If not, please stop assuming that my test is flawed just because you don't know all the details of it.

Of what use is you looking at robots.txt? It (the WP one, which uses none of the non-standard extensions) does nothing to limit the number of connections made (each of which constitutes a guest, and figures in the "online" count).


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26 Sep 2010, 4:19 pm

lau wrote:
Stonecold wrote:
lau wrote:
Stonecold wrote:
lau wrote:
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Again, I have methods to compensate for all of that.

You have no idea what percentage of the "Online now" count are web crawlers.


Again, you are assuming the only variable I have is the "Online now" that people submit. I have many other sources for required variables. One of them is Wrong Planet's robots.txt policy. If you want to know more details about this "graph" I'm making, PM me. If not, please stop assuming that my test is flawed just because you don't know all the details of it.

Of what use is you looking at robots.txt? It (the WP one, which uses none of the non-standard extensions) does nothing to limit the number of connections made (each of which constitutes a guest, and figures in the "online" count).

I understand that. Would you please stop assumming that my logic is flawed just because you don't know every last detail of my experiment? As for robots.txt, knowing Wrong Planet's robots exclusion policy will allow me to estimate the probability that certain web crawlers are part of the "Online now" count.



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27 Sep 2010, 4:25 am

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I understand that. Would you please stop assumming that my logic is flawed just because you don't know every last detail of my experiment? As for robots.txt, knowing Wrong Planet's robots exclusion policy will allow me to estimate the probability that certain web crawlers are part of the "Online now" count.

I'm afraid you still do not understand the problem. The WP robots.txt (http://www.wrongplanet.net/robots.txt) has no real exclusion policy - just an (apparently) slightly less restricted policy for Google's Adsbot, whose adverts give Alex the major part of his funding. There is no question of estimating which "certain" web crawlers happen to be present - the question is how many "guest" connections each one makes. Adsbot makes dozens of simultaneous connections.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robots.txt


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27 Sep 2010, 4:31 am

I'm really on line and I'm not a robot.

It's 11:30 here and we're GMT +2 (as I think the winter hour is not activated yet).

587 people on line now - at least, the screen says so.



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27 Sep 2010, 6:24 am

Date : September 27th 2010 - 1:23 PM
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27 Sep 2010, 3:50 pm

lau wrote:
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I understand that. Would you please stop assumming that my logic is flawed just because you don't know every last detail of my experiment? As for robots.txt, knowing Wrong Planet's robots exclusion policy will allow me to estimate the probability that certain web crawlers are part of the "Online now" count.

I'm afraid you still do not understand the problem. The WP robots.txt (http://www.wrongplanet.net/robots.txt) has no real exclusion policy - just an (apparently) slightly less restricted policy for Google's Adsbot, whose adverts give Alex the major part of his funding. There is no question of estimating which "certain" web crawlers happen to be present - the question is how many "guest" connections each one makes. Adsbot makes dozens of simultaneous connections.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robots.txt

The robots.txt policy only gives me a VERY rough reference. You're right in saying that my logic would be flawed if I were to take into account only Wrong Planet's Robots Exclusion Policy. However, that isn't the only variable that I'm using. You seem to be the only one here who has a problem with the method I'm using. If you want to hear a detailed explination of my methods, please PM me. Otherwise, please stop wasting my time.



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01 Oct 2010, 10:31 pm

October 1st 11:30 PM
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01 Oct 2010, 10:38 pm

Alexa guesses traffic based on people who use their Alexa toolbar as a statistical sample. To get an accurate view of the traffic, use quantcast:
http://www.quantcast.com/wrongplanet.net


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There is utterly no point in posting your time zone - although you could always post your whole address, if you wanted people to know where you lived.

The post time is perfectly adequate - and no way could you "compensate" to obtain any useful data from any time and/or time zone embedded in the post.

Also... to gather a year's graph, you could just visit this site four times:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/wrongplanet.net



NB. You do need to "compensate" for the many web crawlers that are present among the "Online Now: 652". In fact, only the "Members: 125" is vaguely reliable.


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08 Oct 2010, 12:25 pm

alex wrote:
Alexa guesses traffic based on people who use their Alexa toolbar as a statistical sample. To get an accurate view of the traffic, use quantcast:
http://www.quantcast.com/wrongplanet.net


lau wrote:
There is utterly no point in posting your time zone - although you could always post your whole address, if you wanted people to know where you lived.

The post time is perfectly adequate - and no way could you "compensate" to obtain any useful data from any time and/or time zone embedded in the post.

Also... to gather a year's graph, you could just visit this site four times:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/wrongplanet.net



NB. You do need to "compensate" for the many web crawlers that are present among the "Online Now: 652". In fact, only the "Members: 125" is vaguely reliable.

This doesn't give a good enough temporal resolution.



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10 Oct 2010, 8:22 am

Date: 10/10/2010 (GMT +1 hour)
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