Substantially_Abstract wrote:
Also, to Skjald:
But then, I see, that, if viewed in a certain way it may unite people, open their eyes to their imperfections and give hope.
Yeah, totalitarian ideologies unite people in their rally and hate against those who do not follow the ideology and are deemed their enemies or unwanted and they always promise people salvation in return for submission to the ideology aka give them hope.
Do you know what also united certain groups of people and gave many people in a beaten, humiliated nation hope after WWI? National Socialism! Fascism! The ideology and the NSDAP really understood it to create a sense of unity and a feeling of togetherness and belonging within the people. They knew how to give them hope, promise them salvation and prosperity if they only submitted to their fascist ideology and followed along. Neo-Nazis still operate by using this to recruit people for their ideology today.
Are you going to argue in favour of Nazi ideology too now? Because this factor applies to their ideology just as much! If you are not going to and still think Nazi ideology is reprehensible (assuming you did think that) even though it units people and gives them hope this argument is worth nothing as an attempt to prove why an ideology, in this case religious ideologies, would be beneficial.
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Also, even if you think you have a high sense of morality, there are some situations, in which, without Jesus, it may be hard for you to see and do the right thing...
I can tell what is just and ethical and what isn’t perfectly fine without your bloody Jesus, so how about you keep your Jesus and Bible to yourself, thanks. I absolutely have no need for your medieval, totalitarian, inhumane, barbarian, disgusting ideology with an invisible sky daddy to dictate me how I am supposed to live my life in accordance to what the people who made that s**t up centuries ago as a tool to rule over the masses deemed right and wrong.
I would even argue that religion corrupts people, makes them do the most unethical and immoral things and leads them to commit unbelievable atrocities while deeming them morale, justified and gods work and see it as themselves living in accordance to their religious insanity, pardon, ideology. The body count of religious ideologies throughout history and today is enormous!
So telling me that without Jesus people wouldn’t be capable to know what’s right while religious folks committ most disgusting crimes is laughable and absolutely ridiculous not to mention factually incorrect. Actually without the indoctrination of religious ideologies people would be way better off and more capable to tell right from wrong and truth from fiction and how to think and live freely for themselves and would actually understand that burning so called witches, killing the infidels during crusades or jihads, throwing gay people from the roof top or putting them into concentration camps and stoning women to death who refuse to marry their rapist is certainly not ethical nor is it morale.
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Sometimes, I wonder, if people have modified the way God had meant us to live...
God had meant you to live in no particular way because he doesn’t exist! People didn’t modify the way god wanted you to live they pulled god out of their arses and made him and all those ideologies up to rule and control the masses and find a convenient answer for what they were to primitive and underdeveloped to understand and explain correctly back then!
You are a product of evolution, the entire human species is. Deal with it!
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“Religion is the masterpiece of the art of animal training, for it trains people as to how they shall think.”
- Arthur Schopenhauer
“The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.”
- Mikhail Bakunin