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12 Dec 2007, 1:23 am

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I think its a little from column a and a little from column b. I had a job which involved telesales. It vastly improved my confidence AND gave me a mental breakdown. I still don't totally regret it as it lead onto my next, (not customer facing) job.

Well, I'm glad you can look on the bright side of your experience. How is your current job going?



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12 Dec 2007, 8:34 am

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I was just thinking what the worst jobs for aspies would be...

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5 - customer services


That one is an interesting inclusion. I do customer service myself for CityRail - and railways have long been an interest of mine.

If you can combine it with an interest (and detach the notion that it is a social thing), it is possible to both be good at it and enjoy it :-)


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12 Dec 2007, 9:55 am

Kwiksnax wrote:
sarahstilettos wrote:
I think its a little from column a and a little from column b. I had a job which involved telesales. It vastly improved my confidence AND gave me a mental breakdown. I still don't totally regret it as it lead onto my next, (not customer facing) job.

Well, I'm glad you can look on the bright side of your experience. How is your current job going?


My current job is amazing. I work in a cash office so I basically spend most of my time counting big ol' piles of money in an underground room with no windows. People only come in and disturb me when they need to have emotional conversations on their mobiles where my boss can't see them. Usually they don't even acknowledge me - apparently they think that because I don't talk very much I must also be deaf. I find it very funny.

I don't know if its looking on the bright side so much as remembering that a lot of people here have trouble finding jobs at all, I'm convinced the only way I've avoided that situation is by doing anything just to have something on my CV.



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12 Dec 2007, 10:05 am

Hendikins wrote:
caffeine_demon wrote:
Hi,

I was just thinking what the worst jobs for aspies would be...

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5 - customer services


That one is an interesting inclusion. I do customer service myself for CityRail - and railways have long been an interest of mine.

If you can combine it with an interest (and detach the notion that it is a social thing), it is possible to both be good at it and enjoy it :-)



Yep - I can understand that that sort of arrangement could work quite well, but I was thinking more of dealing with complaints - eg "my dishwasher's broken", "Where's my stuff" "can't you guys get anything right" etc...



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12 Dec 2007, 8:16 pm

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Yep - I can understand that that sort of arrangement could work quite well, but I was thinking more of dealing with complaints - eg "my dishwasher's broken", "Where's my stuff" "can't you guys get anything right" etc...


Oh, like "Where's my train?", "What do you mean I can't use the toilet?", "Get a real job", etc? :P


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12 Dec 2007, 9:50 pm

sarahstilettos wrote:
My current job is amazing. I work in a cash office so I basically spend most of my time counting big ol' piles of money in an underground room with no windows. People only come in and disturb me when they need to have emotional conversations on their mobiles where my boss can't see them. Usually they don't even acknowledge me - apparently they think that because I don't talk very much I must also be deaf. I find it very funny.

Sounds fantastic, what a sweet job. If emotional conversations weren't so banal there'd be all sorts of juicy stuff to eavesdrop on too. :)
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I don't know if its looking on the bright side so much as remembering that a lot of people here have trouble finding jobs at all, I'm convinced the only way I've avoided that situation is by doing anything just to have something on my CV.

I'd say that's looking on the bright side. That which doesn't kill us makes us stronger, and we're all gonna die sometime anyways so might as well live an interesting life :)

Anyways, kudos to you Sarah!



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13 Dec 2007, 3:05 am

I think any job that emphasizes networking and interpersonal skills, and requires you to be an assertive people person is bad for people with AS. The sh***y thing is that it seems that all the high paying jobs seem to emphasize areas that AS people find problematic, save maybe for engineering surveying, or some science jobs.



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13 Dec 2007, 6:11 am

Space wrote:
I think any job that emphasizes networking and interpersonal skills, and requires you to be an assertive people person is bad for people with AS. The sh***y thing is that it seems that all the high paying jobs seem to emphasize areas that AS people find problematic, save maybe for engineering surveying, or some science jobs.

I'd say it's more challenging than bad. Social situations and the jobs that require them are indeed more demanding on people with AS, but they are by no means impossible, and the skills involved can be learned. None of us should ever give up and say we can't enjoy the lives that many NT people enjoy. We simply have to devise our own strategies for dealing with these challenges.

In general, threads like this do not help anyone. They generally work as self-fulfilling prophecies of negativity. We can do better than this!



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13 Dec 2007, 1:19 pm

Well the point of a job is find something you are talented at and passionate about. If you are not choosing a job based on your strengths, you are setting yourself up for failure. Yes every job has some social interaction and you can get better at it, but it doesn't mean you will ever go from being an introverted, shy/quiet AS to a born leader, extroverted, A-type, networking go-getter who puts everyone else to shame. It is good to want to improve, but the fact is many NT people will be much better in certain areas than you because of your AS. You can either, A)compensate by being better in other areas, B)try and learn the areas in which you are lacking, or C)do both. Nothing is impossible, but recognizing your personal strengths AND weaknesses is key to finding a job you will be successful in. That being said, it depends on the person and their personality, if you are a person with AS who has great people skills and is a networker, then go into sales. I am sure you will do well. The thing is certain personality characteristics are common in AS people, so you can generalize that some jobs would be ill suited to most of the group.



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13 Dec 2007, 1:31 pm

Clothing Retail...I've done management for a popular clothing store in the States...One of the most challenging and draining things I've ever done. There were over one-hundred people on staff and there was never any quiet except when I would kick our stock person out and do it myself.



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13 Dec 2007, 4:21 pm

Space wrote:
Well the point of a job is find something you are talented at and passionate about. If you are not choosing a job based on your strengths, you are setting yourself up for failure. Yes every job has some social interaction and you can get better at it, but it doesn't mean you will ever go from being an introverted, shy/quiet AS to a born leader, extroverted, A-type, networking go-getter who puts everyone else to shame. It is good to want to improve, but the fact is many NT people will be much better in certain areas than you because of your AS. You can either, A)compensate by being better in other areas, B)try and learn the areas in which you are lacking, or C)do both. Nothing is impossible, but recognizing your personal strengths AND weaknesses is key to finding a job you will be successful in. That being said, it depends on the person and their personality, if you are a person with AS who has great people skills and is a networker, then go into sales. I am sure you will do well. The thing is certain personality characteristics are common in AS people, so you can generalize that some jobs would be ill suited to most of the group.

A lot of good points there, Space. As you say, it's essential to take your own strengths and weaknesses into account when considering a job or career. However, I think the case for many people with AS is that they underestimate their strengths and overestimate their weaknesses. They try something new, don't succeed the first time, then throw up their hands and say 'I knew it all along! I can't do it!' Yet with dedication and commitment, they could develop their skills and overcome their short-fallings. Everyone fails at certain things at certain points in their life, you just have to keep going despite the setbacks.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with what you say about natural inclinations for people with AS. AS can make life infuriatingly difficult at times. What I'm disagreeing with is the general message of threads like this which seems to be 'you can't win, so don't even try'. That's just wrong, in my opinion.



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13 Dec 2007, 4:24 pm

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Clothing Retail...I've done management for a popular clothing store in the States...One of the most challenging and draining things I've ever done. There were over one-hundred people on staff and there was never any quiet except when I would kick our stock person out and do it myself.

It's amazing how much a little bit of quiet 'reflection time' can help. Did you find that you needed that down-time in order to recharge yourself after the daily onslaught of social interaction?



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13 Dec 2007, 4:43 pm

Kwiksnax wrote:
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with what you say about natural inclinations for people with AS. AS can make life infuriatingly difficult at times. What I'm disagreeing with is the general message of threads like this which seems to be 'you can't win, so don't even try'. That's just wrong, in my opinion.

I agree. That's the problem with AS culture, or the information about AS. So much of it is negative, and really makes AS people seem like they are hopeless, unless they are a savant math genius or some other stereotype :roll: There are a lot of threads here where people b***h about the most common problems for people with AS:
1)I can't get a girlfriend/boyfriend, and have little experience with the opposite sex
2)I can't get a job, I don't know what I would be good at and
3)I have no friends, I can't seem to make any.
It gets really depressing when you see the same threads in one form or another, over and over. It is very rare for someone here to talk about having success in relationships, overcoming barriers to get a job they enjoy, or successfully branch out and gain new friends who accept them. I really liked the interview with the Heather from america's next top model, it is one of the few rare encouraging portraits of a young AS adult. I wish we had more "success" stories like that here, there must be AS people who have found their way in life, it would be nice if we had more of them.



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13 Dec 2007, 4:52 pm

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I really liked the interview with the Heather from america's next top model, it is one of the few rare encouraging portraits of a young AS adult. I wish we had more "success" stories like that here, there must be AS people who have found their way in life, it would be nice if we had more of them.

Absolutely. There are plenty of AS people living happy, successful lives. As for this forum, let's be the change we want to see.



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13 Dec 2007, 5:02 pm

how about "policeman"



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14 Dec 2007, 10:55 pm

I see used car salesman is listed but I think I would get over my anxiety of trying to sell to people if I could talk about cars all day.


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