Thought about NTs and Workplace

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I just discovered something about neurotypicals. It is only a thought. They care less about the accuracy of information then they care about the peacableness and the harmony between them. They do not want conflict in their social circles. They do not want argumentativeness. Facts and logic metaphorically go out the window when it comes to maintaining social harmony. I believe this is one of the main reasons we have so many problems in the NT world especially the workplace.

In the workplace they have the attitude that the boss is always is right which means it does not matter if our logic is right or wrong. If the boss says or wants you to do something then that is how it goes and that is what you do. If you do what they say and they say you are a stupid ret*d because you misunderstood or they were unclear then you are to say yes sir or yes mam, I am a stupid ret*d. You do not argue or debate this at all. I believe this is one of our main problems in the workplace.

If the boss stuffs my pockets with enough
green papers, he/she can be as right as
they feel like so long as they don't abuse me,
but if they abuse me or if what they are
telling me to do is so wrong that no amount
of greenstuff will make it better, I am quitting.

I think it might be the workplace that is the issue. I work in Aerospace and I (as well as everyone else) challenges our director everyday (quite often he is right however). He lets us discuss with logic and he will counter with logic. I am not saying that this is in all aerospace firms but Engineers in general respect logic.

Cheers

Engineering without debate is like fishing without water.

IME, peacefulness and harmony are only an illusion - they love drama and conflict, just not open confrontation - actual confrontation is generally left to the Alphas, while the rest enjoy watching. But subterfuge and Machiavellian backstabbing - they all love participating in that.

You're absolutely correct that they don't want their social order or conventions disturbed by raw honesty or logic. There are subtle formulae by which they interact and choose sides and often switch factions mid-conflict. Most of this is emotion driven and does not rely on logic, so raw honesty rips away the facade and spoils the game.

While the rabble may only give you furtive looks and turn away from you for calling attention to the facade, the Alphas have zero tolerance for anything that calls into question their authority or (supposed) infallibility. Even when they pretend to be willing or even interested in input or suggestions or honesty, don't fall for it - this is simply a trick to draw out those they consider to be malcontents. The instant that you raise your hand to offer insight, they will mark you for separation from the herd and extermination as a mutant.

i think the issue is not harmony, it's approval and security.
NTs get their self validation from friends and superiors.
lame.

I think that they like quiet conflict.

I think the OP is an extreme over-generalizaton. I've had plenty of NTs work for me and my company and their attitudes are all over the place. In general, I find the people that take pride in their work and their job will raise accuracy or poor performance issues to management rather than let it go because they care about their performance and the overall appearance of the company. We try to provide them a venue to do this that prevents them from having to start a public fight with their coworkers - yet we're open enough as management so that employees can't just bash each other to management behind each others' backs.

Obviously there are people that don't care about their work performance or the performance of the company they work for. Employment is a two-way relationship - I don't think you can necessarily blame that on employee or employer but it tends to raise flags with me if a job applicant does nothing but bash their former employer.

In larger companies, process tends to become a necessity because management wants to be able to easily train and evaluate employees. Individual thinking is often rejected because it's viewed as too costly or difficult to retrain a large number of employees. As a growing company, we're currently dealing with this - trying to get multiple employees to complete tasks via the same process for consistancy's sake. It makes us less efficient but so far, our customer satisfaction numbers are up. Currently that's more important than efficiency - if we have no customers, it doesn't really matter how efficient we are.

I don't really understand your complaint about "if the boss wants you to do something then you do it." Management's job is to distribute tasks to the people underneath them. If you don't like the things being given to you, you shouldn't be in that job. In our company, the employees don't generally have a 100% picture of what's going on, so in most cases, management has the best chance at being right. Obviously we're not always right, but we have a better idea of the full picture, customer expectations, and employee capabilities.

I think the more common problem in the workplace is poor management. I've worked for some good managers and one particularly horrible one and I think a lot of it comes down to lack of training or experience. Good managers tend to protect their employees from outside drama while bad ones spread the drama or even amplify it. If they had training and/or the ability to see how their team's morale and productivity suffer in the latter situation, they might stop sabotaging their team, their company, and ultimately their own career.

t0, this is a bad habit I have noticed I have. I do tend to over-generalization. I'm working on it. The thing is I'm just trying to understand things. A lot of things in my life will go certain ways that I did not expect. I'm just trying to understand why things go the way they do instead of how I thought they should've went. I am just trying to figure the fault in my logic. You did help a bit.




t0, I never thought of it from this angle. This is an excellent answer. Some people would just say "that's the way it is." This is the first time I've received an excellent and logical answer. This helps out alot.



Who says I was complaining? I was making an observation. The thing is I have missing gaps in my understanding about things in life including the workplace. For whatever reason, it's hard to get logical and coherent answer from some people.



I never knew that.