How to get employment without competition?

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27 Aug 2011, 7:35 pm

I have come to the conclusion that I cannot get employment due to the market mechanisms of competition in play: the labour market is essentially a cattle market, and having AS, I am worth less than normal people to employers, or even literally worthless. It is impossible to compete against normal people, as they have the positive symbolic status that AS victims can never attain.

How do I get employment, proper employment not some risky self-employment scam, without having to compete with normal people?



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27 Aug 2011, 7:42 pm

If self-employment is out of the question then I cannot help you. Self-employment is not that risky if you look at where the scams are and how to avoid them.

The problem is, the normal system of apply, interview, hire for employment does not work for even NTs that much anymore. Aspies and Auties do not stand a chance in hell in that system. You therefore need to find a different way to get hired.



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27 Aug 2011, 7:57 pm

You cannot avoid competing with people in the regular job market, because every job has either many applicants, or the job will be filled only by someone's friend or relative. And I imagine you don't have many friends willing to give you a job.

Your only practical option is to become self employed, the way I see it. Once in a while a person becomes such a unique specialist in some rare field that he or she is literally the only one who is qualified in that field. Then they will have no competition, for a while, unless it becomes lucrative or trendy. But as you can imagine, being able to do that is even harder than landing a normal job by competing with NT's.

The only other way to get any sort of job without competition is to apply to places that hire everyone who applies, like debt-collection agencies and fast food chains with a constant high staff turnover. But these are the bottom of the job barrel, and probably not the kind of job that could support you or that you could even tolerate.



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27 Aug 2011, 7:58 pm

I have tried self employment and ended up having a breakdown, it is too risky for me. Unless there is support from someone or somewhere, but I can't get that. I don't even get help from social services.



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27 Aug 2011, 8:30 pm

I do not have any friends at all actually, when I had my class changed in primary school when I was 9 I lost the friends I had from when I was 3, 4 years old and I have had no one since as friends.

I have tried, tried to do self employment but I had a breakdown, it is too stressful without support. I would need support to manage self employment. Also, I would nee something that pays, last time it was £35/week (not that I was actually ever paid!) which isn't enough to live on.



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27 Aug 2011, 9:07 pm

It only took me about 3 years to get my job... but when i think about it... my brother works there to, the job was filled by a friend who was about to quit, i was the only other person who knew the job existed there... and the boss knew i wasn't loud and destructive like the all the other kids... so it was a given i would get it eventually... but i still only get like 9 hours a week :roll:

Otherwise ive applied for hundreds and hundreds of other jobs... but theres always one... two... seven.... twenty odd people who get it before me and the reason is always because they ask questions.. and they talk more... or they show more emotions about it... that kinda thing... so its always going to be near impossible to be a job i actually want to do...


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27 Aug 2011, 9:19 pm

I don't know if they have civil service tests over there, but that's a good way for an aspie to get a job. We tend to be pretty good test takers, especially with general knowledge. Check your local governments webpage and see if they offer anything.


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27 Aug 2011, 9:39 pm

I had a hard time finding work so I went after a job most people can't handle. I drive a cargo van back and forth across the country while I sleep in the back. Most people can't handle the lifestyle and being away from home.

Also I'm not quite self employed but sort of an Independent Contractor. Or almost a Sub-Contractor. A fleet owner buys and insures vans which he contracts to a company, then he hires me to drive one of his vans for him.

It's not the greatest situation but it's an example and now I'm working again. I would also compare it to Taxi Drivers who are also usually Independent Contractors. In a way they rent a car all day and hope to make enough money that exceeds their operating costs.

So from my experience is you might want to look for weird niche jobs with high turnover and consider if you think you have a skill set that would allow you to succeed in them.



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27 Aug 2011, 10:49 pm

Gutcruncher wrote:
I have come to the conclusion that I cannot get employment due to the market mechanisms of competition in play: the labour market is essentially a cattle market, and having AS, I am worth less than normal people to employers, or even literally worthless. It is impossible to compete against normal people, as they have the positive symbolic status that AS victims can never attain.

How do I get employment, proper employment not some risky self-employment scam, without having to compete with normal people?


Have you considered the funeral parlor business? I knew a man who was an embalmer and loved his job.



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28 Aug 2011, 1:31 am

Then your choice is too look for low level jobs which dont hire based on skill. Im working at the market right now, and I was hired based on my time availability. But then I still had problems with the social interaction part of the job. But you can avoid the social problem by working during the graveyard shifts.



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28 Aug 2011, 2:02 am

I'm 44, unemployed for two and a half years, no university degree or whatever.

But I expect to get a positive response to my recent application for a shelf stocking job in a supermarket.

Then it's up to me. I can plan to use the wage to acquire study materials, then study.

You just need to get a foot in the door. The main thing then is DON'T waste the opportunity.

See if you can get a job night filling shelves. Highlight the positives of AS.


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28 Aug 2011, 7:21 am

I can't work nights, I have to use public transport which doesn't run in the evening/nights. I cannot drive due to other health problems (cannot legally get a driving licence).



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28 Aug 2011, 7:24 am

I don't actually go out of the house at all unsupervised, social services won't help me no matter how many times I ask for help, I have no friends. I would need to use public transport to get to any job, NO DEVIATION, it must be public transport or I cannot get there.

Also, there are NO POSITIVES to AS. Even if there are, or I am deluded into thinking there are, employers would not agree, it is a TOXIC label, as bad as being a pedophile or drug addict I have been told.



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28 Aug 2011, 7:25 am

Why suggest driving anyway? Even if I was able to get to be able to drive legally, I would need at least £6000-8000/year for insurance let alone lessons from scratch or buying a car. I don't have any money at all. No one helps, no one is interested, social services don't help.



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28 Aug 2011, 7:37 am

No one listens. I cannot drive, FACT. So jobs involve driving (as in doing driving, or driving to the workplace) are out. I am not lazy or something because I can't drive, I cannot legally get a licence. That is fact. No driving, and no expense.



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28 Aug 2011, 10:34 am

So, what is the largest distance you'd be willing to walk each day to and from work? Walking AND public transport in combination are not a bad thing at least in Ireland and Germany where I worked. I walk about 20 minutes to the bus stop and ride it for 15 minutes to my workplace. Seriously, stop thinking of what you cannot do or you feel completely inept at everything!


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