Screening for autistics? (and mental illness) psych test/job

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25 Jul 2012, 9:10 pm

It's a test to prove either:
A. You are psychologically bland enough to fit their idealized corporate employee model
B. You are smart enough to answer what you know they want to hear

Go with option B, answer what they want to hear, like you said it doesn't matter for your job it is just a corporate mandated test



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26 Jul 2012, 10:04 pm

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I just skimmed the questions, but it looks similar/maybe identical to one I filled out for both Future Shop and Old Navy. They both had the same application system but branded respectively, I think this thing is some weird bogus software package that gets licensed out. The questions are ridiculous, and a lot of them definitely have no correct answer. The one that I did asked what you would do if you put a dollar into a vending machine, and it gave you two sodas. The answer that we all thought was probably "correct" was that you put another dollar into the vending machine, but obviously that's just going to dispense another soda.

I don't know what they're screening for, man, but it's excessive.

Edit: I'd also like to point out that the hiring process for the software dev positions I've held was way less of a pain than the Future Shop application.


Sounds like my first job at a Canadian hardware retailer. It took 6 HOURS to do the first round of interviews, tests, etc.. and then I still had to come back and do a drug test. It even required writing two actual essays which is probably why I got the job! Again, the questions were beyond ridiculous and even had that vending machine one (I told the truth: I would keep the extra soda since I've lost enough money in machines). It even asked if you had a criminal record and listed every crime imaginable as well. If I have NO criminal record, why the heck to I need to say it 150 times?

My government job was ten times easier to get and paid a lot more. Go figure!



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29 Jul 2012, 9:53 pm

Wow, I've never seen anything like this. Maybe that is the way things are going to be going forward.. But for a pizza delivery driver? A little over the top, methinks... :roll: .

If my employer had used a test such as that to screen potential employees, most of us there would not have jobs today. I hope I never have to see anything like that, but at least now I know it's out there, so thanks OP for the heads up :thumleft: .


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30 Jul 2012, 5:17 am

wintermutetower wrote:
I just skimmed the questions, but it looks similar/maybe identical to one I filled out for both Future Shop and Old Navy. They both had the same application system but branded respectively, I think this thing is some weird bogus software package that gets licensed out. The questions are ridiculous, and a lot of them definitely have no correct answer. The one that I did asked what you would do if you put a dollar into a vending machine, and it gave you two sodas. The answer that we all thought was probably "correct" was that you put another dollar into the vending machine, but obviously that's just going to dispense another soda.

I don't know what they're screening for, man, but it's excessive.

Edit: I'd also like to point out that the hiring process for the software dev positions I've held was way less of a pain than the Future Shop application.


Yeah these seem pretty standard. I have seen wackier ones for Target, and Staples.

With Target it was

How much do you daydream?
Below average, average, above average
(Leaving me wondering how on earth you were supposed to know what was average).

What percentage of politicians lie.
What percentage of people lie on their tax returns.
(Left me wondering number one, how am I supposed to know, and two, do they want me thinking everyone is nice and honest, or the cynic who thinks everyone lies)

Staples had a question about how many times I have been in fist-fights or shoving matches with co-workers.



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31 Jul 2012, 3:08 pm

The thing that gets me with these types of Psychometric questionnaires, is often they appear to be looking for people willing to lie. Is a liar the sort of person you want to employ in a position at a till and handling money?! Someone who'll phone in ill when they want to watch the football game? I'm guessing not!


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03 Aug 2012, 2:09 am

Those application quizes are such BS. the questions are so narrowly defined it's impossible to give an accurate answer. My only suggestion is avoid absolutes. With many of those tests that is the most important thing. Because any absolute answered Agree is a blatant lie.



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07 Aug 2012, 7:29 am

The positively best question and answer set I've ever seen.

"I have trouble making decisions." "Agree, Neither Agree nor Disagree, Disagree."

My friend told me that you should always answer strong yes or strong no to all the questions, as the computer is looking more for decisiveness. It landed me an interview at Radio Shack doing that, I'm inclined to believe him. ALSO, most of the time, employers themselves don't even look at the test. What happens is, you apply, and based on the psych eval, the computer at the main company database filters you out. I know this as I had a feeling I "failed" the application at two auto part stores I went to, and I'd talked to the manager and they both said they never got my application.

So yeah, all the adults that are like "aww you can get a job" don't know jack s**t about the current situation. They never had to deal with the psych evals and the like.



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07 Aug 2012, 3:51 pm

i just answer honestly.


i'm not going to lie on an application form, especially when they want someone "100% honest and trustworthy"

if they don't like me based on a bunch of stupid questions that i answer "wrong", then f*** em - they're not worth my time. i'll be happier in the long run without them. and i also refuse to shop at their store now (ASDA) :D

go ahead, employ some twat that will rub the salad on his bumcheeks before serving it*, beat up a care home resident with a bar of soap in a sock* or steal from the till* - because that's what happens when you don't employ people like us and opt instead for NTs that suck up to management.


* these things actually happened - according to news reports anyway....


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08 Aug 2012, 12:05 pm

Gnonymouse wrote:
It's a test to prove either:
A. You are psychologically bland enough to fit their idealized corporate employee model
B. You are smart enough to answer what you know they want to hear

Go with option B, answer what they want to hear, like you said it doesn't matter for your job it is just a corporate mandated test


How about the firm you are applying to fired their human resouces department and replaced them with a computer, since management thought it would be cheaper in decision making.



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14 Aug 2012, 3:21 pm

Oh god, I hate those. I don't see how they're useful, anyway. If someone's going to steal from the cash register, are they really going to say so on a questionnaire? When there's questions about things like handling stress and annoying customers, I think I'm supposed to say I can handle it fine, but the truth is that I would probably freak out. OH or the "are you an outgoing and cheerful person" one. Or anything about your ability to walk up to customers in the store and ask them if they need anything.

For the past 4 years, I've applied to so many jobs. Around 100 each summer. I've had only a few interviews. 0 job offers. I don't know if it's me, or if it's the job market. I interviewed at Target, and I thought it went well, except for an awkward point at the end when the lady asked me how I felt about a job that might require after-hours tasks like cleaning and stocking, and I made a joke about how I walk into stores and start straightening them up anyway, and she said, oh, but you're not like compulsive or anything, right? Yeah, so, I never heard back from them again. I called them several times over the next month, because they said they would call me with a yes or no within a week, and they never did. I might have misread it, but during the first part of the interview, it sounded like I was going to get the job and they just had to process a formal offer.

I interviewed at three pet stores. Each one I thought was a sure thing. I told them I know all about pet foods (my mom's kind of paranoid about what she feeds the dog), I've had animals for most of my life, I volunteer at the shelter, I'm part of a dog therapy team that goes to hospitals and libraries, I can name every breed of cat, I've had rats, fish, cats, a dog, a snake. One of the places even spent 30 minutes or so telling me all about how the employee's weekly systems work. Never got an offer.

The other interviews I had were group interviews with a bunch of giggly teenage girls. It's funny, because one of the girls in my interview at Victoria's Secret was a grade behind me at my school, and she was a huge flake, really shallow, and not exactly very bright. Well congratulations to her.

I hate job hunting.



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15 Aug 2012, 9:32 am

I sometimes wonder if the reason for these silly tests is so that you WILL lie. Therefore, if things so sour later they have a good excuse to sack you because you lied on an official employment application. Probably one reason why I was never fired even though I was targeted for elimination once: I never lied. On this note, I find the whole idea of references silly. Who is going to give the name of someone who is going to say bad things about a person. The whole process is ridiculous and it seems like nobody wins except the clowns who administer these tests.

Like I mentioned once before, I had a job where I was practically filling up my locker when the manager asked me to do a personality test to satisfy head office. I went to see him a week later to get the formal hiring completely only to be told "thanks for your interest but the position is filled". Obviously it was that test: likely I wasn't a big enough liar!

1000Knives wrote:
My friend told me that you should always answer strong yes or strong no to all the questions, as the computer is looking more for decisiveness. It landed me an interview at Radio Shack doing that, I'm inclined to believe him. ALSO, most of the time, employers themselves don't even look at the test. What happens is, you apply, and based on the psych eval, the computer at the main company database filters you out. I know this as I had a feeling I "failed" the application at two auto part stores I went to, and I'd talked to the manager and they both said they never got my application.


To paraphrase Bertrand Russell, the ones who are sure of themselves are usually fools and fanatics and intelligent people are usually full of doubts. Considering some of the poor quality workers that were hired at my last job, it seems a random turn of the Price is Right wheel would have been a better option. Even if these tests were accurate, they are so subjective to the point where two identical workers would answer the same question differently.