Public Accounting
I never worked in Public Accounting, yes it would help if I want to be CEO of a company but I don't even wish to be a Controller.
I graduated in 1981. Got my accounting degree in 1986. Passed the CPA exam 1996.
I used Becker and attended the sessions and sat at the back of the room. I liked the routine and I did the homework. I would not have been motivate to study on my own. I was not a great student in College. B average and made the Dean's List several times but I got a "C" in Intermediate Accounting. Sound familiar? You don't need "A"'s in Accounting to pass the CPA exam - really.
I passed all three parts the first time I sat for all four parts. The part I missed was tax and I passed that the next time.
Most of my positions have been Assistant Controller, Senior Accountant, or Accounting Manager roles for a private company. Some private companies were traded on the stock exchange and hence public but I never worked for the big six accounting firms.
Having my CPA has done more for me getting the job and not getting screened out. So it was worth it for me. I don't make the kind of money some CPA's do, but it seems to me there are those CPA's who make way over six figures and then there is me. Not many CPA's out there that want to work below say the Controller Level. But companies are desperate for them!
It is much easier to find a job when say you don't need to make 125,000 per year. I do good to squeak over 50K but I am happy.
Actually, I would rather be happy and enjoy going to work than making $$$$ just the money and be miserable. I had one job making 75K and I hated every minute of it. If you want to know more PM me, I would be glad to discuss more about the CPA exam with you.
I was also past President of our local CPA chapter which was hard for an Aspie. But then a room of CPA's is much like a room of Aspies.
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I have a worse employment history plus I have zero network or friends. 50K?? I would be happy with $30,000 a year..
And again, I can't compete with all the too cool for school 20 somethings (most whom are very outgoing & hip in the current generation) so apparently I don't have a snowballs chance in hell. Recruiters such as Robert Half told me the same thing
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The jobs like my current one I got via Monster. Many I got via recruiter were hell and they had high turnover - hence why they needed a recruiter. Please, don't be so hard on your self. Really.
I am no CPA whiz. And I have never had an issue with the 20 somethings in the work place. They mostly go the route of the Public Accounting and then into a Controllership job. Robert Half, don't listen to the recruiters. Been there, I do OK but it is not for me. They are usually looking for a specific person skill set. The impossible person or super accountant.
Getting 30 or 40K should not be hard if you are a CPA. Take less and get experience but please don't discount having credentials.
Look, my GMAT was terrible. Getting a MBA would be extremely hard for me even though I could pass all the tests fine. But a CPA is really not that hard. Becker taught me if you know one problem you know at least 5 on the exam. If you know 10 you could answer 50 on the exam. Without Becker I would not have come close to passing. To me it was easier than an MBA.
But in the beginning I must admit I was as intimidated as hell.
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This is a headache for me as well. I got my accounting degree, graduated highest honors, and now I work for a reverse-collections auditing firm however I've noticed that we've really dried up for work, they aren't laying off but when I've looked around and tried to see if I could get in somewhere to learn general ledger or even try an Accountant II type position they want that same exact type of esperience - overpayment auditing the way you would with say PRG, Apex, etc. for experience doesn't seem like its portable in that sense.
Also yes, I hate the fact that I have to worry whether - if I start a new job - it will be one where I'm fired within a month because they're unwilling to train. My work history is one of extrema; I either stay somewhere from five years to a decade or I'm fired almost immediately, and so much of that seems to rely on who I'm working for, how reasonable they are at understanding what they need to convey to people to have successful employees, I'm very proactive in trying to learn as much as I can but that only goes so far. You would *think* that capitalism means competition, that competition means that every place of work wants to be the best, and wanting to be the best would mean that the rule rather than the exception would be places of work where they have great training resources that you can hit at any time and nearly any question you could dream up would be covered somewhere or you couldn't find it out from someone - strangely it just doesn't work like that.
That said I'll admit, I'm lucky enough that my rote social skills don't get me in too much trouble, my ASD seems to hit me harder on executive functioning, chronic fatigue, etc. than it does with social skills and mirroring, however if I am working with people who are flamboyant frat boys or sorority girls and where almost everyone will barrel-chest you, talk at you without hearing a word the other way, smack you on the back, and run, I'm in just as bad of shape as any of you would be, mainly that there's simply no penetrating the heads of people like that and, yes, you're either one of them or your not.
I truthfully don't know what to do going forward. If I get laid off or let go in the next year from overstaffing I'd like to go back to school or, if I can find a replacement job of a similar pay with a bit more assurance I may keep on with the goals I've had in the past year to start acquiring properties and become a land lord (I'm not financially set now necessarily - I just live with my parents and have the ability to save for the moment, which I'll need to keep at for a long time). I'm in agreement with what's been said on the economy as well; the shorter the supply of jobs becomes the more it gets to be an employers market and of course the most eminent skill above anything else will always be social skills - that's the kind of world we live in and it keeps becoming more and more important as the well of manufacturing jobs dies and service/information becomes everything.
The world does seem to keep getting weirder, I'd love to think something will give in a positive way some time within our productive lives but its hard to call it.
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Out of curiosity, I've talked to and worked with A/P managers, controllers, and finance VP's often but I've always gotten the impression that its as much babysitting and headaches as being a chain restaurant manager. Is it that bad? What Nick was saying about 20-something too cool for school sorts it seems like that's a waiter/waitress mentality as much as it is a clerk mentality and most of the time when I meet AP managers they seem almost as war-weary as supreme court justices.
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I teach in an MS in Taxation program, and it always seems that my students are able to get decent jobs, with the exception of foreign students who have language problems. Have you tried government agencies? Don't be afraid to send out multiple resumes. Certainly apply for every government accounting job you can find. You should do that even if you have no intention of working for the government for more than a couple of years. The experience would be invaluable for finding a job in private industry.
Well I guess I am the exception. Don't worry everyone thinks I am a loser and I haven't been able to hold a job so apparently I am unemployable and should just "go away" like it seems everyone wants me to. Again, I cannot find a job (any real job). I currently have a temp job with a major bank in the Boston area which ends in early April then back to unemployment probably indefinitely..
Oh gov't agencies?? one problem -- I have awful credit and was told that if you have over $5,000 in collections or chargeoffs that you will fail any gov't or finance company background check (as I found out multiple times last year).
I have about $300,000 in savings & investments -- hardly enough to retire with at age 36 and certainly not enough to start a business with
Nick I know this is a year late, but if I was in your situation I would read "Invest Like a Shark" by DePorre, its about short-term stockmarket investing. I wanted to do it myself, but in my country the brokerage fees are three times the price of the US and it makes short-term trades much too expensive. But I hope you have found something by now.
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This thread seems to be the antithesis of what's been paraded around in job/career/major discussions the last few years. I took a couple of basic Acct. classes in HS, enjoyed them, and decided to major in Accounting in college. I'm in Principles of Managerial Accounting right now and will take Intermediate I in the summer or fall. I'd been well-set on finding a career in accounting; these are not the kinds of stories I want to hear.

I feel the same way, am just starting, but you have to do something. I noticed the positive stories were written around 2005 when things were different.
My idea is to sell stuff online and do my own accounting. But again, that worked for me in 2005.............
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"Aspie: 65/200
NT: 155/200
You are very likely neurotypical"
Changed score with attention to health. Still have AS traits and also some difficulties.

I feel the same way, am just starting, but you have to do something. I noticed the positive stories were written around 2005 when things were different.
My idea is to sell stuff online and do my own accounting. But again, that worked for me in 2005.............

I feel the same way, am just starting, but you have to do something. I noticed the positive stories were written around 2005 when things were different.
My idea is to sell stuff online and do my own accounting. But again, that worked for me in 2005.............
Yes, let's hope so

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"Aspie: 65/200
NT: 155/200
You are very likely neurotypical"
Changed score with attention to health. Still have AS traits and also some difficulties.

I feel the same way, am just starting, but you have to do something. I noticed the positive stories were written around 2005 when things were different.
My idea is to sell stuff online and do my own accounting. But again, that worked for me in 2005.............
Yes, let's hope so

That's true too. It's hard to predict what the job market will look like in two or three years but at the least I should have a good grasp on personal finance. I'd always rather have a college degree than just a high school diploma!
Yes! The way I see it, there are some people who will never make much money, and I am one of them. I can't bring much in, but every year I get better and better at stopping it from going out - by saving, analysing, researching prices, budgeting, investing, reselling, cooking, growing, refurbishing. There are many who can't do that.
I hope we get great grades

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"Aspie: 65/200
NT: 155/200
You are very likely neurotypical"
Changed score with attention to health. Still have AS traits and also some difficulties.
That's true too. It's hard to predict what the job market will look like in two or three years but at the least I should have a good grasp on personal finance. I'd always rather have a college degree than just a high school diploma!
Yes! The way I see it, there are some people who will never make much money, and I am one of them. I can't bring much in, but every year I get better and better at stopping it from going out - by saving, analysing, researching prices, budgeting, investing, reselling, cooking, growing, refurbishing. There are many who can't do that.
I hope we get great grades

I graduated in 2008 with an accounting degree and passed the CPA exam in 2009. 4 years later, I'm still stocking shelves at the supermarket. I can't even afford to pay back my student loans nor move out to a place of my own and I doubt I ever will. I've sent out more resumes than I can count. I've been thrown out of buildings for sneaking past security so I could hand deliver them to companies that never responded. I don't have any network to use so as a lone wolf, I'm pretty much screwed in society these days.
That sounds bad and I think it could happen to anyone. I always felt embarassed (at best) about "not fulfilling my potential" after doing well
in school. When I found out about aspergers, I didn't feel that anymore. Now, I think I've done incredibly well to have got as far as I have - even if it is tragic by most people's standards. Does this apply to you too?
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"Aspie: 65/200
NT: 155/200
You are very likely neurotypical"
Changed score with attention to health. Still have AS traits and also some difficulties.
I never post or read here much anymore, but wanted to mention that I finally got an accounting job with a government agency and have been working for about six months.
I had to move to do it and have had to live apart from my wife the entire time but we're hoping that she can be out here maybe in May/June depending on what happens with selling our house.
It's all worked out, apparently. Someone just had to give me a chance. The hardest part for me was moving away.