why is it hard for some aspergers to have a job?
Why? Why is reading them required to answer their questions?
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Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
Why? Why is reading them required to answer their questions?
Being able to respond appropriately to their body language is necessary so you don't come across as awkward and someone who wouldn't fit into the workplace.
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I have watched over the years my husband's experience at work. While he is not an Aspie, he works with MANY aspie types. I think as an industry, Environmental Science/engineering must be a haven for people on the spectrum. It seems like there are about half and half, meaning half potentially aspie people, half NT's. But even the NT's are a bit on the aspie spectrum, or are at the very least understanding of aspie skills and the benefit of having them as employees.
This is partially why we are trying to point our son on the spectrum in this direction. He may not choose it for himself, but if he takes classes in college such as Environmental Science, and enjoys them, we feel like it could be a real positive work experience for him.
I don't know what it is, but I just felt like my husband's social experiences at work have been so accepting of EVERYBODY. The emphasis is on what you know, and not how social you are. I've worked in the construction industry, and social skills were highly important there. I've seen the difference between the two industries, and these environmental people are truly nice.
Why? Why is reading them required to answer their questions?
Being able to respond appropriately to their body language is necessary so you don't come across as awkward and someone who wouldn't fit into the workplace.
Yeah I don't understand that nor know what it means. I only know through reading that during an interview you are to sit still and not move your body and you are to look at the person. Moving your body and playing with anything in your hand or touching anything could indicate you are nervous and that might look bad for the interviewer. I believe this is what I did in my interview for working at a hotel here. I can remember forcing myself to look at the person's face and I didn't move my body. Either I lucked out or I passed.
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Son: Diagnosed w/anxiety and ADHD. Also academic delayed and ASD lv 1.
Daughter: NT, no diagnoses. Possibly OCD. Is very private about herself.
^This. I can get jobs, and I don't get fired, but I struggle to stay in them.
This.
And most jobs requiring a degree still boil down to a popularity contest. They just pick the most popular person with the credential they require.
I will put my theories in, first of all, in the interview, you may get questions like "what do people say about you?" Something like that can be hard to answer (what do neurotypical people say?)' If you come across awkward as we often are, they think "He can't handle the job" Or they may think that the other coworkers cannot handle you either.
Coworkers I have found hard to deal with. Sometimes I look worried or nervous or do a mannerism and get reported to the boss that they are "uncomfortable with me". Then I get yelled at, written up, threated with firing...
When you are on the clock the demands are CONSTANT AND UNRELENTING! There is no "downtime" at all. That is, you get constant demands, constant questions, have to be fully alert every minute, constant people talking, and if you say "stop" then see above where you get reported to the boss. For example, if I am moving something heavy, I might have to put something down for just a minute, then get yelled at "IT CANT BE HERE!" MOVE IT!"
I have found that coworkers will "stab you in the back" and "set you up" so that you get reported and eventually quit. Then they wonder "we can't get anyone to work" and just complain how little help there is.
Some industries such as food service are what I consider "dumb" industries in that most supervisors have never taken a psychology class and if you tell them you are on the autistic spectrum they won't know what it is or worse, think that you will scream in the supermarket and smear sh---t all over the walls. But even in the health field, you might come across someone who will not know. As soon as you say that, you will not be hired.
Oh, and people who own businesses and complain that people with ASD are on social security and should not be are part of the problem too. Why not give us a chance?
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And actually working in the jobs I have had has been difficult. It's not just the social cues, but sensory processing as well. I get confused and am unable to think clearly.
Oh and I do have a degree, but so do the people I'm competing against.
Yes, I understand what you mean here. The sensory processing issue is so difficult. The last job I had, a manager slammed something down ... which made a very loud noise. I burst into tears and had to run away. I went into the restroom just to compose myself, but I couldn't stop shaking. It was awful.
Also, I was unable to deal with the in person training. My mind was overwhelmed. I read and memorized the manual parts, but the in-person training unwound me.
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Coworkers I have found hard to deal with. Sometimes I look worried or nervous or do a mannerism and get reported to the boss that they are "uncomfortable with me". Then I get yelled at, written up, threated with firing...
When you are on the clock the demands are CONSTANT AND UNRELENTING! There is no "downtime" at all. That is, you get constant demands, constant questions, have to be fully alert every minute, constant people talking, and if you say "stop" then see above where you get reported to the boss. For example, if I am moving something heavy, I might have to put something down for just a minute, then get yelled at "IT CANT BE HERE!" MOVE IT!"
I have found that coworkers will "stab you in the back" and "set you up" so that you get reported and eventually quit. Then they wonder "we can't get anyone to work" and just complain how little help there is.
Some industries such as food service are what I consider "dumb" industries in that most supervisors have never taken a psychology class and if you tell them you are on the autistic spectrum they won't know what it is or worse, think that you will scream in the supermarket and smear sh---t all over the walls. But even in the health field, you might come across someone who will not know. As soon as you say that, you will not be hired.
Oh, and people who own businesses and complain that people with ASD are on social security and should not be are part of the problem too. Why not give us a chance?
Yes! Well articulated!
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?Sometimes I feel like I?m actually on the wrong planet. It?s great when I?m in my garden, but the minute I go out the gate I think, ?What the hell am I doing here??
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And actually working in the jobs I have had has been difficult. It's not just the social cues, but sensory processing as well. I get confused and am unable to think clearly.
Oh and I do have a degree, but so do the people I'm competing against.
Yes, I understand what you mean here. The sensory processing issue is so difficult. The last job I had, a manager slammed something down ... which made a very loud noise. I burst into tears and had to run away. I went into the restroom just to compose myself, but I couldn't stop shaking. It was awful.
Also, I was unable to deal with the in person training. My mind was overwhelmed. I read and memorized the manual parts, but the in-person training unwound me.[/quote
Oh, and let me guess, one of the coworkers probably found you in the ladies room and probably told the manager you were weird or something like that and it became very difficult to work there.
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Oh, and let me guess, one of the coworkers probably found you in the ladies room and probably told the manager you were weird or something like that and it became very difficult to work there.
Yup. I even got pulled into the back room for a chat. And they'd already thought I was a bit weird because they wanted me to use the intercom (which was so loud!) and I would say, "No, I'll just run over and tell the person..." and they would say, "No.... use the intercom."
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Coworkers I have found hard to deal with. Sometimes I look worried or nervous or do a mannerism and get reported to the boss that they are "uncomfortable with me". Then I get yelled at, written up, threated with firing...
When you are on the clock the demands are CONSTANT AND UNRELENTING! There is no "downtime" at all. That is, you get constant demands, constant questions, have to be fully alert every minute, constant people talking, and if you say "stop" then see above where you get reported to the boss. For example, if I am moving something heavy, I might have to put something down for just a minute, then get yelled at "IT CANT BE HERE!" MOVE IT!"
I have found that coworkers will "stab you in the back" and "set you up" so that you get reported and eventually quit. Then they wonder "we can't get anyone to work" and just complain how little help there is.
Some industries such as food service are what I consider "dumb" industries in that most supervisors have never taken a psychology class and if you tell them you are on the autistic spectrum they won't know what it is or worse, think that you will scream in the supermarket and smear sh---t all over the walls. But even in the health field, you might come across someone who will not know. As soon as you say that, you will not be hired.
Oh, and people who own businesses and complain that people with ASD are on social security and should not be are part of the problem too. Why not give us a chance?
My reaction to the first 4 paragraphs: I think that would drive me f*****g insane....I don't even want to know how I'd react to that.
And I agree with the last point.
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Why? Why is reading them required to answer their questions?
Ever hear the line, "There are no wrong answers" when dealing with an assessment test?
That's a lie straight from the pit of Hell.
Yeah, for an accurate personality assessment, no answer is "wrong," but for THEIR purposes, the "wrong" answer(s) will ensure you do not get selected. Ergo...there are WRONG answers.
Interviews are the same.
"Be yourself."
Not if I want to get the job.
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Yessss, and I am terrible at it. Doesn't mean I don't try, but I'm very very bad for misjudging people, and assuming I'm on their bad side. What I'm even worse at is making myself harder to read when I'm nervous, or making myself look "good" in general.